JohnC Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 The double standard comes in when you give Shanahan a mulligan but call Chan Gailey a failure. PTR You ought to be ashamed of yourself for stating such falsehoods. With respect to Shanahan my position is very simple and clear. It is too early in the rebuilding process to make a fair judgment on him. With respect to Gailey I like him. I have never said otherwise. He is a solid coach. I also put him in the same situation as Shanahan. It is too early to fairly assess his performance. Disagreeing with someone is acceptable. I have never been disturbed when someone strongly disagrees with me. However, making up falsehoods is not acceptable behavior. I have never called Gailey a failure. That is a shameful fabrication. You owe me an apology for such an outrageous distortion of what I have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 So the addition of an upper-tier QB like McNabb doesn't indict an offensive genius like Shanahan, who has done more with less, when his offense is the 5th worst in scoring and a couple spots worse than last year? Wow, just wow! So what was Shanahan supposed to bring to the Skins (or Bills)? A high-priced name? Well, it looks like he's succeeded in that respect! Again doc, the Skins are 32nd in yards surrendered on defense using the 3-4 whereas they were 10th last year with the 4-3. And Shanahan continues to insist on sticking with the 3-4. It's a disaster, whether you want to admit it or not. I'm sure about the same number of Skins fans would want to swap for Gailey as there are Bills fans who would want to swap for Shanahan. But most would probably want to swap for someone better than either. Indict Shanahan? Anyway, bringing in McNabb resulted in an improvement in the passing game. This, I'm almost certain, was the goal of everyone involved with this personnel decision. Their running game lacks only a RB. The decision to switch to a 3-4 D without the proper players or coaching staff was as disastrous for the Skins as it was for the Bills. But I don't care about the Skins and neither do you right? Look, if you want to feel better about Gailey by knocking Shanahan, whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.... But you should remind everyone that you were a vocal supporter of Ralph's decision to re-sign Jauron after 5 games in his contract year--predicting a "bidding war" for this hot coaching commodity's services, despite what we all had seen from him the previous 2 seasons. Now his replacement has managed to produce a worse defense and half the wins dspite having a better QB than DJ had for most of his tenure. So instead of acknowledging all of that, you feel better by knocking the guy who didn't want to come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Ralph just sits in Detroit and counts his money. Don't confuse incompetence with indifference. You can argue Ralph is one of those -- I'll let you figure out which one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Don't confuse incompetence with indifference. You can argue Ralph is one of those -- I'll let you figure out which one. When it comes down to money Ralph is never indifferent. When it comes down to making football decisions he is incompetent. Just look at the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 The situation in DC just shows - you can't buy your way into a championship. Snyder just has not learned that you build through a solid front office, coaching and the draft. I'm sure that's what he thought he did this season hiring Shanny and Bruce Allen. Shanny has to put his ego aside; get a different Offensive Coordinator and stop trying to put players in their place when they are veterans several years into their career or beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 I'm sure that's what he thought he did this season hiring Shanny and Bruce Allen. Shanny has to put his ego aside; get a different Offensive Coordinator and stop trying to put players in their place when they are veterans several years into their career or beyond. Players like Haynesworth? Anyone who disagrees with the way this clown was handled is disconnected from the real world. What do you think Gailey would have done with Haynesworth? He's a tough, no nonsense guy, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Indict Shanahan? Anyway, bringing in McNabb resulted in an improvement in the passing game. This, I'm almost certain, was the goal of everyone involved with this personnel decision. Their running game lacks only a RB. The decision to switch to a 3-4 D without the proper players or coaching staff was as disastrous for the Skins as it was for the Bills. But I don't care about the Skins and neither do you right? Look, if you want to feel better about Gailey by knocking Shanahan, whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.... But you should remind everyone that you were a vocal supporter of Ralph's decision to re-sign Jauron after 5 games in his contract year--predicting a "bidding war" for this hot coaching commodity's services, despite what we all had seen from him the previous 2 seasons. Now his replacement has managed to produce a worse defense and half the wins dspite having a better QB than DJ had for most of his tenure. So instead of acknowledging all of that, you feel better by knocking the guy who didn't want to come here. In a bad season for the Bills, why wouldn't I (or any other Bills fan for that matter) feel better seeing Shanahan struggling in Washington? Knowing that, had he lowered himself enough to take the Bills job, he wouldn't have fared any better? That his offensive genius is doing nothing for the Redskins, except improving the passing offense (or is that McNabb) a few yards more per game? If he were the Bills coach, would you be guffawing at him the way you are at Gailey? Criticizing his "failed plans?" And perhaps if the Bills played a weaker schedule like last year, there would be more wins. But I fail to see what "defending" the decision to get a jump on extending Jauron's contract after a 5-1 has to do with anything. Or how 7 wins, or even 5 wins, is any more satisfying than 3 (if not more considering there are 3 games left). It's still a losing season. But which team had higher expectations going into the season? Players like Haynesworth? Anyone who disagrees with the way this clown was handled is disconnected from the real world. What do you think Gailey would have done with Haynesworth? He's a tough, no nonsense guy, right? Moving to the 3-4 was a mistake on many fronts, including alienating Haynesworth. You can defend Shanahan's handling of him, but you can also defend someone's right to walk down a dark alley in a bad neighborhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Blizzard Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Its hard to win in the NFL...(without John Elway) Yup . . . Not everyone is lucky enough to get Elway to play for you . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 The Washington Post confirms that Rex Grossman will start for the Redskins this week. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/17/report-rex-grossman-to-start-over-mcnabb/ Kelli Johnson of Comcast Sportsnet in D.C. reports that the Redskins locker room is “divided and guys are extremely upset.” This caps a week of harsh wintry weather which forced the Redskins to drive their own cars to a local gym in order to practice. In spite of the obscene amounts of money which Daniel Snyder has thrown at coaches and players, the team does not have an indoor practice facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaquin1119 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I'm going to be honest here, at first i wanted mike Shanahan to be the bills head coach. now im very damn happy he ain't !!. When we pick chan as head coach I really dont know him that good..but its turning out that he a pretty damn good coach in my book. Im liking what he doing too the bills so far. And i hope next season we would do a lot better then this year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I was never a fan of Shanahan nor in favor of bringing him to Buffalo. It is also too early in the rebuilding process of both clubs to make definitive judgements on how Gailey and Shanahan will ultimately fair, but living in the DC area I do get a healthy dose of all things 'Skins. In my opinion, Shanahan is a disaster so far. No doubt Haynesworth is a jerk, but to say this has been well handled belies lack of knowledge of the three ring circus the situation has been allowed to become. From the beginning, Shanahan made it a test of wills and ego. (hint - he has a very large one) The right thing to do probably would have been to just cut him loose, but that was not happening given what Snyder has paid him, and that he was Snyder's big purchase to begin with. Lack of RB? Well who is to blame there. Portis has not played close to a full season in years, yet the only potential replacements brought in were similarly over the hill players who did not even make the team. Now the handling of McNab is beyond rediculous. This team is no better on any front than last year. They are paying the price big time for the foolish decisions on trading away draft choices, making poor draft choices, and relying on big time free agents like fat Albert. No coach was going to fix this overnight, but what is clear to me, is that I like Gailey's approach much better, and I like the kind of inspired play and dedication he able to get out of the talent base he has. Meanwhile, Shanahan has lost control of the team. Gailey is 10x the offensive coach that Shanny Jr. is for sure, and is certainly outperforming Shanny Sr in this respect as well, with a 7th round career backup as starter rather than a potential future hall of famer who they spent a high 2nd round draft choice on. We will see where these two clubs go next year and beyond, but I am happy the Bills ended up with Gailey instead of Shanahan so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 wonder where McNabb plays next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I am also pretty happy with Gailey. I am glad that we have him & not Shanny at this point. The way things are going in Washington, players are not going to want to play there. McNabb will start this weekend but I wouldn't be surprised if he's not the starting QB in Washington next year. I've been saying all year that I would rather the Bills end the season on a winning note than to start out good and then go down hill. The next 3 games are going to be really important, not only to further judge talent for players and coahes but to give the fans a good feeling going into the offseason. I orignailly wanted Cohwer as head coach but so far am happy with Gailey. Let's Go Buffalo! ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 (edited) McNabb benched, teammates furious. If Buddy Nix signed a QB to a $40M extension and Gaily benched him weeks later, would you feel like the Bills were in good hands? Redskins players are not happy. "The guys are extremely pissed," one player told NFL.com's Jason La Canfora. He reports that Redskins players think offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan is using McNabb as a scapegoat for his own failures. It's a valid point. Shanahan's ego seems out of control. (Head coach Mike or Kyle, take your pick.) The father-son combination seem intent on placing the blame for the Redskins' failures on anyone but themselves. Albert Haynesworth(notes), Hunter Smith(notes) -- it's always someone else's fault. PTR Edited December 17, 2010 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 McNabb benched, teammates furious. If Buddy Nix signed a QB to a $40M extension and Gaily benched him weeks later, would you feel like the Bills were in good hands? PTR They can get out of it for a fraction of the cost. Safe to say they will and McNabb's done in DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I must admit... this past off season, the Redskins were making all the moves I would have hoped the Bills would make. In fact, the Bills did try to make these moves - Shanny and McNabb were both courted by the Bills. I really thought Skins would be a team on the rise this year, and Buffalo with its far less than desirable hires would continue in their mediocrity. (The only thing different I would have done if I were Washington would have been to draft a young QB to take McNabb's place in a couple of years.) I guess this all shows why I'm not an NFL GM. Although it's entirely too early to draw any firm conclusions; the Skins appear to be in worse shape than ever; while the Bills are the "feel-good" story of the last half of the season. It'll be really interesting to watch these two teams over the next couple of years. Both teams have been pretty bad, both teams made major changes in 2010, yet each team took very much different approaches to their rebuild. It'll be quite interesting to see how each team fairs over the next couple of years; especially when you consider the Bills (appeared at least) to really want Shanahan and McNabb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 McNabb benched, teammates furious. If Buddy Nix signed a QB to a $40M extension and Gaily benched him weeks later, would you feel like the Bills were in good hands? PTR The $40 million figure you cited is very bogus. He is going to make $3.5 million this year with a $250,000 bonus. He is basically on a year to year deal. If the Skins decide to trade or release him they don't have to pay him. Odds are the team will prefer to go in another direction and will have no financial obligations with respect to him. Your posting of $40 M contract is grossly inaccurate. The below figures are not close to your fictitious figures. • 2010: $3.5 million signing bonus/$250,000 if active eight games • 2011: $10 million option bonus/$2.5 million salary/$750,000 if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives • 2012: $12.75 million salary/$750,000 if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flopagamo Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I'm in the DC area too. In recent years there have been several threads about Bill's fans losing interest in their team... I have to admit that I fall in that category. (Tho this season is rekindling the excitement!) I get more pleasure watching the Redskins fail as a franchise, and listening to the recriminations on talk radio midway through the season, than I generally do following a Bills win... and every few years I wait with fingers crossed and baited breath to see if the latest coach will work out, hoping it is merely the latest chapter in dysfunctionality. The interesting thing is that this is not uncommon in DC, with so many transplants from other areas of the country. The nonstop blather in the local media about Redskin tradition really gets on our nerves. Same here. Doc Walker won't stop pontificating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 wonder where McNabb plays next season? NO! Please don't start it! Please don't!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 The $40 million figure you cited is very bogus. He is going to make $3.5 million this year with a $250,000 bonus. He is basically on a year to year deal. If the Skins decide to trade or release him they don't have to pay him. Odds are the team will prefer to go in another direction and will have no financial obligations with respect to him. Your posting of $40 M contract is grossly inaccurate. The below figures are not close to your fictitious figures. • 2010: $3.5 million signing bonus/$250,000 if active eight games • 2011: $10 million option bonus/$2.5 million salary/$750,000 if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives • 2012: $12.75 million salary/$750,000 if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives True, the contract numbers were severely inflated, much like Kelsay's extension. But who is their QB going forward? Grossman? A rookie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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