nemhoff Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 We need, among other things, OT and DT - usually picking at 9 would get you an elite prospect at one of those positions (maybe second best off the board). Not this year, most mocks have something like this ahead of us: Suh McCoy (DT) Baluga Williams Okung Davis How unlucky are we that potentially 6 of the top 8 teams in front of us are drafting at our greatest need? I looked back over the last decade of NFL drafts and only one year, 2002 comes close to that many at OT/DT being taken off the board (at 5). Reminds me of the year that we desperately needed a RB, and just 2-3 spots in front of us the Vikings take AP. We get Marshawn. I would love to know if there has ever been an NFL draft that 6-7 of the top ten picks were OT/DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohns85 Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 We need, among other things, OT and DT - usually picking at 9 would get you an elite prospect at one of those positions (maybe second best off the board). Not this year, most mocks have something like this ahead of us: Suh McCoy (DT) Baluga Williams Okung Davis How unlucky are we that potentially 6 of the top 8 teams in front of us are drafting at our greatest need? I looked back over the last decade of NFL drafts and only one year, 2002 comes close to that many at OT/DT being taken off the board (at 5). Reminds me of the year that we desperately needed a RB, and just 2-3 spots in front of us the Vikings take AP. We get Marshawn. I would love to know if there has ever been an NFL draft that 6-7 of the top ten picks were OT/DT maybe we could trade with the browns to leap frog oakland. magini is always open trading and last year proves it may not cost us too many picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 I was just thinking about that. We've been picking in the same area for years now. It seems like the picks we don't botch (Whitner, Maybin over Orakpo, Lynch, trading up for JP) are almost as bad as what we lost out on when a team right before us scooped up our guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 We need, among other things, OT and DT - usually picking at 9 would get you an elite prospect at one of those positions (maybe second best off the board). Not this year, most mocks have something like this ahead of us: Suh McCoy (DT) Baluga Williams Okung Davis How unlucky are we that potentially 6 of the top 8 teams in front of us are drafting at our greatest need? I looked back over the last decade of NFL drafts and only one year, 2002 comes close to that many at OT/DT being taken off the board (at 5). Reminds me of the year that we desperately needed a RB, and just 2-3 spots in front of us the Vikings take AP. We get Marshawn. I would love to know if there has ever been an NFL draft that 6-7 of the top ten picks were OT/DT Every year it feels like the Bills are always one or two picks away from difference makers. IMO the draft has six elite prospects. Suh, McCoy, and Berry are the best bets on defense. Bradford, Okung, and Spiller are the best bets on offense. It looks like Spiller is the only one who could fall to us and obviously not our top need. If the Bills subscribe to take the best player available, he gets picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawchukBills Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 We need, among other things, OT and DT - usually picking at 9 would get you an elite prospect at one of those positions (maybe second best off the board). Not this year, most mocks have something like this ahead of us: Suh McCoy (DT) Baluga Williams Okung Davis How unlucky are we that potentially 6 of the top 8 teams in front of us are drafting at our greatest need? I looked back over the last decade of NFL drafts and only one year, 2002 comes close to that many at OT/DT being taken off the board (at 5). Reminds me of the year that we desperately needed a RB, and just 2-3 spots in front of us the Vikings take AP. We get Marshawn. I would love to know if there has ever been an NFL draft that 6-7 of the top ten picks were OT/DT Very unlucky indeed...but when was the last time teams in the top 10 drafted who they were "expected" to draft? I wouldn't be surprised if there is at least one "Darrius Heyward-Bey" picks or at least a "Tyson Jackson" pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Lucky charms. We've been out of 'em for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Every year it feels like the Bills are always one or two picks away from difference makers. Doesn't matter who is available, they pick the wrong person even when the right one is there. It's not bad luck. It's incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 We're unlucky because of the TBD draft paradox. No matter what year, no matter how good the class, no matter what teams have what needs before us, its always the same according to TBD: When the Bills pick at position N, there will always be (N-1) sure fire, can't miss prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 We need, among other things, OT and DT - usually picking at 9 would get you an elite prospect at one of those positions (maybe second best off the board). Not this year, most mocks have something like this ahead of us: Suh McCoy (DT) Baluga Williams Okung Davis How unlucky are we that potentially 6 of the top 8 teams in front of us are drafting at our greatest need? I looked back over the last decade of NFL drafts and only one year, 2002 comes close to that many at OT/DT being taken off the board (at 5). Reminds me of the year that we desperately needed a RB, and just 2-3 spots in front of us the Vikings take AP. We get Marshawn. I would love to know if there has ever been an NFL draft that 6-7 of the top ten picks were OT/DT The Bills are not unlucky, they are just stupid. They wouldn't have a gaping hole at LT if they had not passed on drafting the Pro Bowl caliber LT Ryan Clady in favor of the oft iinjured, never effective CB McElvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Every year it feels like the Bills are always one or two picks away from difference makers. IMO the draft has six elite prospects. Suh, McCoy, and Berry are the best bets on defense. Bradford, Okung, and Spiller are the best bets on offense. It looks like Spiller is the only one who could fall to us and obviously not our top need. If the Bills subscribe to take the best player available, he gets picked. No, actually they aren't. They are an prime example of why you stockpile talent by taking the best player available. That is how you create team strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 The OP makes some good points. But it can easily be argued that the Bills have had plenty of excellent options when it came time to make there selection. In the past five years, here are guys who would've filled a need that the Bills actually passed on with their first pick: 2009: Oher, Orakpo 2008: Dominique Rogers-Cromartie 2007: John Beason 2006: Haloti Ngata 2005: Tommie Harris, Vince Wilfork The draft is a risky crapshoot at best. Every team experiences some bad luck when drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPhan Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Doesn't matter who is available, they pick the wrong person even when the right one is there. It's not bad luck. It's incompetence. I hate you, you negative Bills fan, you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPhan Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 The Bills are not unlucky, they are just stupid. They wouldn't have a gaping hole at LT if they had not passed on drafting the Pro Bowl caliber LT Ryan Clady in favor of the oft iinjured, never effective CB McElvin. Hey you are being a negative Bills fan, there buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbringer Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Luck is the residue of design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Doesn't matter who is available, they pick the wrong person even when the right one is there. It's not bad luck. It's incompetence. I'm not going to disagree with that, they have certainly had their share of incompetence. Luck most definately has a hand in draft success as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 We have so many holes, if we get an impact player just about anywhere it'll be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 You make your own luck. When you have a 90 year old owner and basically a carnival manager as the president of football operations you miss the playoffs for more than a decade..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 We need, among other things, OT and DT - usually picking at 9 would get you an elite prospect at one of those positions (maybe second best off the board). Not this year, most mocks have something like this ahead of us: Suh McCoy (DT) Baluga Williams Okung Davis How unlucky are we that potentially 6 of the top 8 teams in front of us are drafting at our greatest need? I looked back over the last decade of NFL drafts and only one year, 2002 comes close to that many at OT/DT being taken off the board (at 5). Reminds me of the year that we desperately needed a RB, and just 2-3 spots in front of us the Vikings take AP. We get Marshawn. I would love to know if there has ever been an NFL draft that 6-7 of the top ten picks were OT/DT Who cares about what a "mock draft" has. They never happen how all these people with nothing better to do dream them up anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 No, actually they aren't. They are an prime example of why you stockpile talent by taking the best player available. That is how you create team strengths. Hopefully, that starts this year. There has to be that "I can't believe we have the chance to draft this guy" feeling at every pick. Drafting purely for need gets you into trouble by overdrafting players by position instead of by quality. The first pick HAS to make an impact. Maybe it should be Spiller. Seriously, that sounds nuts but if three OT's, 2 QB's and two or more DT's go before #9 the #1 RB on the Bills board is probably still available and so might the #1 LB. or DE. Hmmm, where's Marshawn???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyjustbcuz Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 We need, among other things, OT and DT - usually picking at 9 would get you an elite prospect at one of those positions (maybe second best off the board). Not this year, most mocks have something like this ahead of us: Suh McCoy (DT) Baluga Williams Okung Davis How unlucky are we that potentially 6 of the top 8 teams in front of us are drafting at our greatest need? I looked back over the last decade of NFL drafts and only one year, 2002 comes close to that many at OT/DT being taken off the board (at 5). Reminds me of the year that we desperately needed a RB, and just 2-3 spots in front of us the Vikings take AP. We get Marshawn. I would love to know if there has ever been an NFL draft that 6-7 of the top ten picks were OT/DT I hate to say it, but that is why I was so bleep when the Bills won a game near the end of the season...they were in line for like the 5th pick until that point. The Bills are just unlucky because they get in their own way and the organization hasn't had the right people in management the past decade or so. I can't tell you if the people that are new are going to do better...I am glad for now they are different except for Tom Modrak...I know he had a decade to prove himself and it concerns me that he managed to escape the wrath that D.J., The assistant coaches, and John Guy got when they were released. The good teams generally stay good for the long term when the organizational structure is solid. That applies to business as well as football...Mc Donalds Corporation, Walmart, New England Patriots, Indianapolis Colts, and the Pittsburgh Steelers year in and year out put a competitive team that has a chance deep into the year every year! Then there is Circuit City, GM, and the Buffalo Bills that try to do things there own way in contrast to what other successful businesses do. They keep repeating their same mistakes without ever learning their lesson until one day they are gone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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