McBeane Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Why would anyone want a career college coach leading the Bills? These guys make their livings ordering naive teenagers (usually from poor and working class families) around and manipulating them into either staying at the school whenthey could make great money in the pros or away from class when they are not good enough to go pro in order to further the program. In the college game, the coach is the center of their little college town universe and don't have to answer to anyone. They can treat players like garbage and act like idiots and nobody will say anything as long as they win and bring in booster money. When they get to the NFL, they realize it is a lot harder to order around and manipulate a grown man who is a millionaire. The coach is no longer the center of the universe anyomore because the players outshine the coaches on the pro level. This is why most conceeded college coaches will never be and have usually never been successful in the NFL. Seriously, could you just see an idiot like Mike Leech telling Alex Van Pelt to lock T.O in closet at One Bills Drive because he had a headache and did not want to practice......How funny would that be! Number 1, its conceited. Number 2, what closets lock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 This is where the college game differs greatly from the NFL game. Kids in college are not men yet and are still maturing and need help growing up, and when you're in the NFL you are expected to be a man and police yourself. The fact of the matter is, we don't know anything other than what ESPN has told us about this. Was he really put in a closet or was the story skewed along the way to the ESPN headquarters? Everything ESPN does is to create ratings and boost their profits, and drama creates ratings. I'm not saying what Leach did was right, I'm just saying that everything is becoming pansified and the coaches (Mangino for example) are taking the rap for what the parents of the student-athletes don't like. Football is a tough sport for tough guys and parents and students crying out about being yelled at and such is getting obnoxious and annoying. If there was physical violence then its a different story but getting in a kids face and yelling at him is not the coach being a bad guy, its a coaching technique that some people just cannot accept and therefore blame the coach for being a bad person. That being said, I would love for Leach to come in here and lay down the law and let the players know what would be accepted and what wouldn't be accepted. As for telling Mitchell to do whatever you said, thats just dumb and a ridiculous comparison. The kid had a concussion and some reports said he was put in a press box with a stationary bike in it, so take that for whatever you want. Leach is known for making injured players "practice" when the team does. If a guy has a bum leg, he makes them do pushups on the sideline while the team practices. So it's not a ridiculous comparison. That's what this is all about. That sort of thing is fine. Pushups on the sidelines is one thing. Locking a kid in a storage closet during practice is just silly. At least pushups have some value. But locking the kid in a closet where he can't observe the practice, can't learn, can't do anything is just asking to be fired. That's not being tough. That's being stupid. And that won't work in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billnutinphoenix Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 college coach...that's it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Leach is known for making injured players "practice" when the team does. If a guy has a bum leg, he makes them do pushups on the sideline while the team practices. So it's not a ridiculous comparison. That's what this is all about. That sort of thing is fine. Pushups on the sidelines is one thing. Locking a kid in a storage closet during practice is just silly. At least pushups have some value. But locking the kid in a closet where he can't observe the practice, can't learn, can't do anything is just asking to be fired. That's not being tough. That's being stupid. And that won't work in the NFL. I agree. Leach is an idiot to even put himself in this position. If I were Craig James and if what his kid says really happened, I would take Mike Leach in a closet and beat the crap out of him. If he doesn't believe that the player is hurt, suspend him for a game, but putting him in a closet and making him just stand there is just about the dumbest thing I ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Someone gets a) fired b) retired c) quits d) suck at what they do and they automatically become a candidate for the Bills. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Number 1, its conceited. Number 2, what closets lock? Easy there punctuation Joe, just had to write quickly due to work constraints. I'm sure you can deduce what I meant with your razor sharp acumen for the english language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Number 1, its conceited. Number 2, what closets lock? Number 2...The kind with guards outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I agree. Leach is an idiot to even put himself in this position. If I were Craig James and if what his kid says really happened, I would take Mike Leach in a closet and beat the crap out of him. If he doesn't believe that the player is hurt, suspend him for a game, but putting him in a closet and making him just stand there is just about the dumbest thing I ever heard. One word to the little pony: shut up and transfer if you can't take the heat Don't be a punk and call in the pansy police to run the most successful coach in school history out of town because you were forced to take a nap instead of watch practice. I had coaches just in HS who I WISH would have let me sit in a dark room for 3 WHOLE HOURS rather than run an extra mile or 2 after practice, etc.. Revealing character is part of a coaches job. Sometimes they are wrong and discipline incorrectly, but this was hardly some kind of torture session. Being able to accept some discipline earns you respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 There is a negative correlation between success at the college level and success at the NFL level and vice versa. That is, a successful college coach usually makes a poor NFL coach and a successful NFL coach usually makes a poor college coach. Why? The skill set for the positions are so different, it might as well be a completely different job. NFL coaches are not so much coaches as they are planners, organizers, follow-uppers and leaders. They have their coordinators who run each side of the ball and are like an assistant manager who is in charge of the coaches who are on their side of the ball. They have to know and evaluate what skills are needed to succeed at an NFL level and help select players in the draft that fit their system. In college, coaches are much more able to interact and teach the players. They have to recruit players who can willfully choose or choose not to come to their school based a lot on their opinion of the coach. NFL players have no such luck. If you are drafted by a team, you are drafted by that team, end of story. I challenge anyone here to name 1 good head coach in the NFL that left and became a good college coach, or a good college coach that left and became a good NFL coach. What you usually find is that unsuccessful coaches at either position usually have a better chance of succeeding at the other... Completely different skill sets needed, and very very few coaches can be effective at both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 There is a negative correlation between success at the college level and success at the NFL level and vice versa. That is, a successful college coach usually makes a poor NFL coach and a successful NFL coach usually makes a poor college coach. Why? The skill set for the positions are so different, it might as well be a completely different job. NFL coaches are not so much coaches as they are planners, organizers, follow-uppers and leaders. They have their coordinators who run each side of the ball and are like an assistant manager who is in charge of the coaches who are on their side of the ball. They have to know and evaluate what skills are needed to succeed at an NFL level and help select players in the draft that fit their system. In college, coaches are much more able to interact and teach the players. They have to recruit players who can willfully choose or choose not to come to their school based a lot on their opinion of the coach. NFL players have no such luck. If you are drafted by a team, you are drafted by that team, end of story. I challenge anyone here to name 1 good head coach in the NFL that left and became a good college coach, or a good college coach that left and became a good NFL coach. What you usually find is that unsuccessful coaches at either position usually have a better chance of succeeding at the other... Completely different skill sets needed, and very very few coaches can be effective at both. Jimmy Johnson. Good post though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 The best game I ever saw was the 51-3 route to get to our first SB. I seem to recall Kelly and the boys throwing the ball all over the field in a snowstorm that day... Just because the wind is blowing doesnt mean you cant throw the ball. You just need to know how to, and have experience doing just that.... I was at that game and the weather was quite nice. the previous week vs Miami was much more wintery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 I challenge anyone here to name 1 good head coach in the NFL that left and became a good college coach, or a good college coach that left and became a good NFL coach. What you usually find is that unsuccessful coaches at either position usually have a better chance of succeeding at the other... Completely different skill sets needed, and very very few coaches can be effective at both. Bill Walsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Awesome idea. Maybe the Bills could aspire to finish third in their division....which would equal the high water mark for this overrated clown over the past decade. In college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zona Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I was at that game and the weather was quite nice. the previous week vs Miami was much more wintery was that the game we had like 300 yards rushing? yeah, that was a good game also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeBillsDrive Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I can think of a dozen players that need to be locked in a shed. Let's start with the O-Line (minus Levitre and Wood, who get a rookie pass and for semi-decent effort). D. Bell can lead the way into the shed for all his false start penalties prior to going on IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I would take Leach ONLY if the bigger names out on the market say no. If Bill Cowher wants to come here without a doubt hire him and pass on Leach. BUT if it comes down to second tier retreads like Jim Haslet and Brian Billick or Coordinator types like Russ Grimm and Ron Rivera then Leach would be the man. Leach is innovative and knows how to win in a less then stellar situation (Which Buffalo at this point in time is). Leach is a guy who knows how to get his team to rally around him and he is a passionate guy who plays with fire. Now Leach doesn't come without concerns, 1- Can Leach's offensive system work in the NFL, 2- How can he deal with NFL type personalties, 3- Can Leach's system work in cold weather, 4- Can Leach create a defensive scheme that will work in the NFL. To me Leach is a guy who can catch lighting in a bottle for the Bills. He is high risk high reward hire he could be a guy who innovates the NFL OR a Steve Spurrier kind of guy who just serves as an example to why a lot of gimmicky college offenses don't work in the NFL. Either way if the Bills can't land Bill Cower or Shanny then the Bills need to take a risk on a guy like Leach. So go for the big names and then if you can't land a big fish go for the big risk in Mike Leach. As far as this whole controversy goes to me it shouldn't really concern his new employer, I think that you can't judge him until all the facts come out. No one really knows what Leach had the kid do and if I were an NFL team I wouldn't let the whole controversy influence me either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 If you're going to take someone on the offensive side of the ball, I think Trestman is the man. He at least has made some offenses go in the NFL. Plus he's coaching in Canada so there's a little cross-selling for Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyjustbcuz Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 It would make perfect sense knowing how Wilson operates. He would come cheap, provide incredible media buzz from this scandal, and is considered a "mastermind" offensive coach. Imagine hiring Leach as HC, signing Vick at QB, resigning Owens at WR and having Lynch at RB. The national publicity generated with all these tabloid friendly characters together in Buffalo would be priceless, and no doubt be a huge boost for ticket sales for very little money! You lost me with Lynch...Just a golden tooth punk who is good for 2-3 yards a carry! Vick wasn't developed as a passer at his best, but significant jail time, being a convict that killed mans best friend isn't welcome here in most people's book. So now that their is a controversy with Leach for unethical treatment of a player he sounds like a good idea? Well then you got the manicure specialist T.O. who don't like to chase the difficult balls or prevent a preventable interception? Trying to remember the name of it...something to do with Green Machine...oh shucks...Burt Reynolds movie...and then a remake with Adam Sandler....about the prisoners playing the guards...Anyways your lineup would make the perfect cast for that movie!! whatever it is called...hmmm But your post must be a joke or sarcasm?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 It would make perfect sense knowing how Wilson operates. He would come cheap, provide incredible media buzz from this scandal, and is considered a "mastermind" offensive coach. Imagine hiring Leach as HC, signing Vick at QB, resigning Owens at WR and having Lynch at RB. The national publicity generated with all these tabloid friendly characters together in Buffalo would be priceless, and no doubt be a huge boost for ticket sales for very little money! And we would finish 2-14. No OL, no running game = no wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 It would make perfect sense knowing how Wilson operates. He would come cheap, provide incredible media buzz from this scandal, and is considered a "mastermind" offensive coach. Imagine hiring Leach as HC, signing Vick at QB, resigning Owens at WR and having Lynch at RB. The national publicity generated with all these tabloid friendly characters together in Buffalo would be priceless, and no doubt be a huge boost for ticket sales for very little money! 2 Letters...GM....sorry but the fans arent going to buy into the marketing games anymore. If the Bills dont get a football guy to run things and some kind of vision...tickets and paraphenalia sales will plummet, I will put money on it. However your post is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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