CBO scores the Senate Health Bill

[Magox]

Thought you'd appreciate this link.

Thanks.

 

Guy really did his homework and quickly. I hope he's right regarding what can possibly be stricken in reconciliation.

[Doc]

The AHIP responds: http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20100318/bs_.../prweb3750824_1

 

That cinches it. I won't be buying coverage until I/my family need it. That will off-set the increased taxes I'd have to pay, and the $650 "penalty" will be well worth it.

[Magox]

The AHIP responds: http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20100318/bs_.../prweb3750824_1

 

That cinches it. I won't be buying coverage until I/my family need it. That will off-set the increased taxes I'd have to pay, and the $650 "penalty" will be well worth it.

I've been saying this all along.

[Doc]

I've been saying this all along.

So have I. I just wanted to see if these idiots fixed that, because it's a disaster waiting to happen. Apparently they haven't.

[IDBillzFan]

The AHIP responds: http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20100318/bs_.../prweb3750824_1

 

That cinches it. I won't be buying coverage until I/my family need it. That will off-set the increased taxes I'd have to pay, and the $650 "penalty" will be well worth it.

What a bunch of freaking chuckleheads.

[keepthefaith]

Thought you'd appreciate this link.

 

 

Much appreciated. I'd like to verify some of what he says and spent about 45 minutes looking through the bill and revisions and threw in the towel. Near impossible unless you have amazing patience which I don't have.

[Taro T]

So where are Hedd, Conner, pBills, Deb, etc telling us what a wonderful thing we'll have imposed upon us this weekend?

[IDBillzFan]

From Drudge: Caterpillar: I helped Obama sell the stimulus, and all I got was this lousy $100M bill.

 

I wonder if more businesses are going to come out in the next 48 hours let everyone know their plans to continue to freeze spending and layoff staff.

[Magox]

From Drudge: Caterpillar: I helped Obama sell the stimulus, and all I got was this lousy $100M bill.

 

I wonder if more businesses are going to come out in the next 48 hours let everyone know their plans to continue to freeze spending and layoff staff.

Unbelievable, actually very BELIEVABLE.

[DC Tom]

The AHIP responds: http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20100318/bs_.../prweb3750824_1

 

 

"* Weak Coverage Requirement – The legislation will encourage people to wait to purchase coverage until they are sick, which unfairly penalizes those who currently have coverage. According to CBO, 23 million Americans will remain uninsured once this bill is fully implemented."

 

Yes, which is exactly what this administration - and too many people - want. Because they seem to think that insurance is intended to pay for care, so why have it when you're healthy and don't need care?

[IDBillzFan]

Unbelievable, actually very BELIEVABLE.

If you think that's unbelievable, read this from Politico.

 

EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

 

Democrats are planning to introduce legislation later this spring that would permanently repeal annual Medicare cuts to doctors, but are warning lawmakers not to talk about it for fear that it will complicate their push to pass comprehensive health reform. The plans undercut the party's message that reform lowers the deficit, according to a memo obtained by POLITICO.

 

Democrats removed the so-called doc fix from the reform legislation last year because its $371-billion price tag would have made it impossible for Democrats to claim that their bill reduces the deficit. Republicans have argued for months that by stripping the doc fix from the bill, Democrats were playing a shell game.

 

“Most health staff are already aware that our health proposal does not contain a 'doc fix.' … The inclusion of a full SGR repeal would undermine reform’s budget neutrality. So again, do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered,” the memo, sent Thursday to Democratic staff, said.

 

“As most health staff knows, leadership and the White House are working with the AMA to rally physicians for a full SGR repeal later this spring. However, both health and communications staff should understand we do not want that policy discussion discussed at this time, lest (it) complicate the last critical push to pass health reform,” according to the memo.

 

The memo helps explains why the American Medical Association has supported reform even though their top legislative priority, the doc fix, was left out. The group is working behind the scenes with Democratic leadership and the White House to fix the cuts later this year.

 

Indeed, in a statement this afternoon, the AMA announced its support for the reconciliation bill -- and hinted that the debate is not over with reform's passage.

 

“This is not the last step, but the next step toward real health system reform. We will remain actively engaged with Congress and the administration to ensure that before Congress adjourns there are additional important changes to our health system," AMA president James Rohack said. "Congress must act to preserve access to care for seniors and military families by permanently repealing the Medicare physician payment formula that will cut Medicare payments by 21 percent next month.”

 

The memo also repeatedly advises Democrats not to discuss the details of the CBO score.

 

“We cannot emphasize this enough: do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered," the memo says.

[GG]

If you think that's unbelievable, read this from Politico.

 

You mean there is a sane person in this world who believes that Dems would actually gut Medicare to pay for Obamacare?

[Magox]

This whole process has been disgustingly disingenuous. Filled with deceptive gimmicks, ranging from demonization of American business industries, accounting chicanery to flat out lies. The fact that they cut a deal with Pharma who has a 17.9% profit margin just so that they wouldn't bombard them with ads against reform in exchange for blocking reimportation of drugs to compete with these companies pretty much tells you where there interests are.

[John Adams]

The AHIP responds: http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20100318/bs_.../prweb3750824_1

 

That cinches it. I won't be buying coverage until I/my family need it. That will off-set the increased taxes I'd have to pay, and the $650 "penalty" will be well worth it.

 

I paid 23,000$ last year for health insurance for me and my family for a top plan. It is well worth it but I'd be thrilled to drop that and let the gubmit pay my bills for a measly fine. I'm sure that we're the only people thinking like this.

 

Good plan libs.

[Doc]

I paid 23,000$ last year for health insurance for me and my family for a top plan. It is well worth is but I'd be thrilled to drop that and let the gubmit pay my bills for that measly fine.

 

Good plan libs.

It was, since their plan was to destroy the health insurance companies and move to single payor. What these retards don't understand is that if/when single payor happens, people will STILL not buy insurance until they need it. Then it's goodbye land of the free and home of the brave.

[Doc]

If you think that's unbelievable, read this from Politico.

BTW, this is total sleight-of-hand. The AMA's real interest is in preserving their CPT code monopoly, which generates $292M annually. The "doc fix" is about 50-50, with those who want to see the cuts go through so they can finally say "F U" to the gubment and Medicare.

[Adam]

They are?

I think so. Maybe I am cynical. It just seems so many people will parrot the line of their party because they aren't smart enough to know any better. I wish they would turn into lemmings for real- that'd learn em real good!

[/dev/null]

And what does the CBO think of going back later and adding the Medicare Fix...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Medicare-fix...ml?x=0&.v=2

[Chef Jim]

I think so. Maybe I am cynical. It just seems so many people will parrot the line of their party because they aren't smart enough to know any better. I wish they would turn into lemmings for real- that'd learn em real good!

 

If by lemmings you meant both sides you may be correct then.

[Jim in Anchorage]

I paid 23,000$ last year for health insurance for me and my family for a top plan. It is well worth it but I'd be thrilled to drop that and let the gubmit pay my bills for a measly fine. I'm sure that we're the only people thinking like this.

 

Good plan libs.

I would think a patent attorney would know it's $23,000, not 23,000$. But seriously, is not $2000 a month awfully high? Sounds like you are paying a large premium to avoid a deductible.