silvermike Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I didn't notice if he got hurt - but it's been all Freddie today. Fewell seems to have a better eye for the talent on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I hope so. Lets rid ourselfs of most of the recent regimes draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drg2021 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I didn't notice if he got hurt - but it's been all Freddie today. Fewell seems to have a better eye for the talent on the roster. We can only hope.Lynch is not as good as Freddy and has absolutely no business starting in front of Freddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Anyone that seriously thinks the Bills need to just get rid of Lynch knows nothing about the NFL today. You need 2 good starting backs today. Do you think Miami fans complain that Williams needs to start over Brown (or vice versa?) Jackson and Lynch both bring 2 different things to the Bills offence. Jackson is more of the speed rusher, he has that burst that gets him around guys, while Lynch is more of the power back thats going to drag defenders for a couple of extra yards. I don't know why Bills fans always have to find something wrong with everything instead of appreciating what they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 I'm not saying cut Lynch. I'm just saying that at this point, Fred Jackson is the starting RB, and Lynch is the change-of-pace guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 We can only hope.Lynch is not as good as Freddy and has absolutely no business starting in front of Freddie Lynch does not cut as well as Freddy. He is more explosive, though...and may be a touch faster. But behind this line, the inability to cut to the hole is a significant drawback. Freddy never should have been benched after Lynch came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I have no idea why Lynch was returned to starting duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Anyone that seriously thinks the Bills need to just get rid of Lynch knows nothing about the NFL today. You need 2 good starting backs today. Do you think Miami fans complain that Williams needs to start over Brown (or vice versa?) Jackson and Lynch both bring 2 different things to the Bills offence. Jackson is more of the speed rusher, he has that burst that gets him around guys, while Lynch is more of the power back thats going to drag defenders for a couple of extra yards. I don't know why Bills fans always have to find something wrong with everything instead of appreciating what they have. Fitzpatrick is playing some of the best football of his career and deserves to finish the season. He thinks faster, has better wheels and is proving he's a capable starter when given the chance, he had a great game. I agree, I love Fred Jackson, always have, but he does have more experience and it shows. Marshawn Lynch is still a pup, he made a big play to help take the lead and we never looked back. ( Mike Shanahan could be licking his chops) We can't blame Lynch for the rookie O-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska_Darin_Is_Gay Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Anyone that seriously thinks the Bills need to just get rid of Lynch knows nothing about the NFL today. You need 2 good starting backs today. Leaving us exactly 1 good starting back short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 We can only hope.Lynch is not as good as Freddy and has absolutely no business starting in front of Freddie I didn't think this before today but I agree. Jackson seems to have a better idea of what a rb is supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Fred Jackson is getting older too.. hes approaching 30. So then we will have 0 good starting backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Fitzpatrick is playing some of the best football of his career and deserves to finish the season. He thinks faster, has better wheels and is proving he's a capable starter when given the chance, he had a great game. I agree, I love Fred Jackson, always have, but he does have more experience and it shows. Marshawn Lynch is still a pup, he made a big play to help take the lead and we never looked back. We can't blame Lynch for the rookie O-line. My point is basically, why does one have to be the starter? Why not both, a 1A and 1B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I didn't notice if he got hurt - but it's been all Freddie today. Fewell seems to have a better eye for the talent on the roster. Lynch had a bum shoulder. Freddy played great, but the guy is going to be 29 in a couple of months. Not exactly a long term solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Simple answer is No, Lynch his running style depends on the o-line more then freddy does and on those plays Lynch actually is better then Freddy (they are still 2-3 yard plays). Next year when the o-line is all fixed, healthy and matured we'll see a very different Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 My point is basically, why does one have to be the starter? Why not both, a 1A and 1B? I hear you, Lynch is only going to get better and Jackson also does allot on Special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GripnRip Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I'm in the camp that knows you need 2 quality backs to sustain a running game these days and I believe Jackson/Lynch are a serviceable duo - however the fact that Freddy is seeing a lot more playing time with Fewell at the reigns is an indication of what the current staff thinks of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Anyone that seriously thinks the Bills need to just get rid of Lynch knows nothing about the NFL today. You need 2 good starting backs today. Do you think Miami fans complain that Williams needs to start over Brown (or vice versa?) Jackson and Lynch both bring 2 different things to the Bills offence. Jackson is more of the speed rusher, he has that burst that gets him around guys, while Lynch is more of the power back thats going to drag defenders for a couple of extra yards. I don't know why Bills fans always have to find something wrong with everything instead of appreciating what they have. Lynch isnt a good starting back...sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I hear you, Lynch is only going to get better and Jackson also does allot on Special teams. Ryan Fitzpatrick's career long run is twice that of Lynch's career long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Ryan Fitzpatrick's career long run is twice that of Lynch's career long. that's completely false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 that's completely false Yes, I misread it, it's for this season. Fitzpatrick tied the game in the second quarter on a 31-yard touchdown jaunt up with right sideline. It's the longest run of his career and more than twice as far as Pro Bowl running back Marshawn Lynch has gone on a single carry this season. As taken from Tim Graham's blog at http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/...row-ricky-throw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Are you sure? As taken from Tim Graham's blog at http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/...row-ricky-throw "Lynch's career" <> "this season" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninFl Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Anyone that seriously thinks the Bills need to just get rid of Lynch knows nothing about the NFL today. You need 2 good starting backs today. Do you think Miami fans complain that Williams needs to start over Brown (or vice versa?) Jackson and Lynch both bring 2 different things to the Bills offence. Jackson is more of the speed rusher, he has that burst that gets him around guys, while Lynch is more of the power back thats going to drag defenders for a couple of extra yards. I don't know why Bills fans always have to find something wrong with everything instead of appreciating what they have. Excellent point. Remember how good Marshawn looked before the O-line was dismantled? Right now, Fred is the man because it is a "make your own hole" offense. With some line improvement, both could again be the hard to stop guys we watched before this season. Think ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Yes, I misread it, it's for this season. ah, gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Leaving us exactly 1 good starting back short. but Lynch is a high quality thug - too bad he still does not run the plays where designed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Lynch's running style depends a lot more on him getting past the initial line of scrimmage. If he breaks into the LB level or the secondary he is an absolute beast. He's not as elusive, nor does he see the hole as well as Jackson appears to. It also seems that Jackson is a bit more patient with his blocks. If we can ever solidify our OL the tandem will be nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I have no idea why Lynch was returned to starting duties. Well for starters, Dick was a moron. Never willing to ruffle the feathers and sit a starter even if it meant keeping a worse guy on the field. Why do you think the players loved him so much? There was no accountability, players didn't even have to produce and were still able to hang onto their starting positions with the Bills. How would you like to go to work, stink it up continually and have your boss say "it's alright just keep working hard." ?Sounds like an easy gig to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 Lynch looked better than McGahee, but he never looked like a great back. He had three 100 yard games in 2008, and three more as a rookie. He's not a scrub, but he's nothing special. He doesn't fumble much, he doesn't get hurt much, and he can get a few yards when you need a few yards, but he doesn't break many big gains, he doesn't take over a game, and he's not a threat in the passing game. At best, he's a 1B back, most of the time, he's well suited to his current role: spelling Fred Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GripnRip Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Lynch belongs behind zone blockers - something I can't imagine our line handling at this point in their development. If Shanahan doesn't land in Buffalo and Lynch goes elsewhere, it will be a zone blocking team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Not so fast on Lynch. It was his play that let them kick the 56 yrd FG. He played fine today. Fred deserves to start and lynch will play valuable minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Leaving us exactly 1 good starting back short. Haha, exactly! I would also argue that Lynch epitomizes average as far as RB's are concerned. I saw one guy say Freddy's better at gaining yards when there is no hole, which probably means he'd be better when there actually is a hole right? The excuses used on this board to defend Lynch's lack of production every single week is comical. I would say someone who thinks Lynch can stay on board making about $5 million next season to see 3-7 touches a week (which is all he deserves) doesn't understand football very well. There will be backs the Bills could sign next offseason who would cost less and be more productive. If he'd be willing to take a pay cut and be paid like a backup fine, but to be paid like a starter and produce like he has is unacceptable. The Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown comparison does not work because they are both very valuable backs, the same does not apply with the Bills. You don't see the Rams split carries with Steven Jackson and Samkon Gado because it happens to work for the Dolphins......just like you shouldn't see Freddy split with Lynch when the former is clearly better at nearly all phases of the game. Lynch is more of a name than a player these days. Forget his nicknames and his "cool" looking hair and watch his play on the field. It's not very good, it's actually pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 What is the status on the contracts of both Edwards and Lynch? I would think Lynch has some trade value... the other one, they can waive him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Some players get hot at certain times, no doubt it was a good day for both Fred Jackson and Fitzpatrick which resulted in a win against the hated Dolphins. Time will tell with the current O line and Fitz, with good coaching and decent line play and he should improve as time goes by, not get worse... which is what happened with TE and JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 This is really a non-issue guys. Its a positive. For all of those talking about Jackson's age, lets also consider that he has been playing in the minor leagues for some time, and though it takes a toll on a body, it is not NFL-style pounding that he has been under. Also, he has been #2 or sharing the duties thus far. That also extends a career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drg2021 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Lynch looked better than McGahee, but he never looked like a great back. He had three 100 yard games in 2008, and three more as a rookie. He's not a scrub, but he's nothing special. He doesn't fumble much, he doesn't get hurt much, and he can get a few yards when you need a few yards, but he doesn't break many big gains, he doesn't take over a game, and he's not a threat in the passing game. At best, he's a 1B back, most of the time, he's well suited to his current role: spelling Fred Jackson. Beastmode Baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndrums Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 What would his trade value be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 No way Lynch is done here. Freddie took the job away from him, and he deserved it. Lynch lost his job during the offseason when he got the gun charge. He has nobody to blame but himself. But to say its over is way premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 What would his trade value be? Not much, how many teams would be desperate enough to take on a $5 million dollar contract on for a RB who isn't producing. I don't even know if a team would part with a 5th round pick for Lynch, they'd really have to be sold on the fact that he was bad as a result of being on the Bills and not vice versa. If his contract was cheaper he'd have some sort of value, but at his price I don't think many teams who want to take that risk. Maybe you get a sucker like Dan Snyder to trade a 3rd-4th rounder, but I think a 5th or 6th is more realistic. One thing for sure, you can't trade hime within the divsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 People forget that we have nothing behind Jackson and Lynch. We also have too many holes to fill so I'd rather not make another one we have to fill this offseason. That was the problem with Levy/Jauron...they created holes then filled holes and the holes that were open always stayed open. Lynch stays another year at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Anyone that seriously thinks the Bills need to just get rid of Lynch knows nothing about the NFL today. You need 2 good starting backs today. Do you think Miami fans complain that Williams needs to start over Brown (or vice versa?) Jackson and Lynch both bring 2 different things to the Bills offence. Jackson is more of the speed rusher, he has that burst that gets him around guys, while Lynch is more of the power back thats going to drag defenders for a couple of extra yards. I don't know why Bills fans always have to find something wrong with everything instead of appreciating what they have. Exactly correct - having two really good backs is a problem you need to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndrums Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 People forget that we have nothing behind Jackson and Lynch. We also have too many holes to fill so I'd rather not make another one we have to fill this offseason. That was the problem with Levy/Jauron...they created holes then filled holes and the holes that were open always stayed open. Lynch stays another year at least. One thing, and this is a big "If", but if Shanahan does decide to take the job, he has a nose for drafting RB talent, and a Late round Gem, ala Freddy Jackson could be in our future. It's hard to say Lynch will, 1. Keep his off season troubles in check, and 2. Stay healthy, neither of which he has done here yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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