Big Turk

Don't think anything rose to the level of automatic ejection.

I think bad O-Line protection calls from Allen had far more to do this with than bad line play. Although that might be on Morse too because I thought I remember hearing that Morse was the one who set the line calls to take that off Allen's plate...or at least he used to when Josh was still getting comfortable and getting his feet wet. Far too many times last night where the multiple people on the O-Line were standing around blocking nobody while 2 players were on top of Allen right off the snap...that points to them blocking the wrong people/direction.

I think at times he is hurting the offense by NOT running. It's almost like an over-correction in the other direction. He had plays last night that he could have made running where he made a low percentage throw instead. He needs to understand that AT TIMES, WHEN NEEDED, he is going to have to unleash that aspect of his game and not wait until they are desperate in the 4th quarter to do so. Don't forget the Bills started off last year with a very similar short passing game. Wasn't til post-UCL Josh that they started airing it out, which likely was a result of short throws aggravating it more than longer ones.

It's actually surprisingly almost identical...something like 2.88 seconds to 2.87 seconds before last nights game. If anything after last night's game it would be higher this year because he was holding onto it a lot.

Bernard stuffed Barkley on the goalline rush attempt to end the first half...he is Milano "lite". Williams is another clone just a little more raw and out of control which leads to him over-pursuing plays and being out of position too much on runs...should get better and better as he gets more reps. His pass coverage skills are really good tho...even in the Jags game he made some really nice pass breakups.

I mean the Bills scored both TDs in the 4th, wouldn't that seem to disqualify the statement above you just made?

Slot receiver seems to be multiple people so it's not really fair to compare McKenzie alone to Kincaid sionce McKenzie was pretty much in the slot every play last year...would be more accurate to compare McKenzie to Kincaid+Harty+Shakir.

Yeah for whatever reason the Pats often times gave the Bills fits on D...Colts too sometimes, although there were equal number of times the Bills blew them out. Jon Hand on the Colts and the "ippett" brothers on the Patriots D(Andre Tippett and Ronnie Lippett) used to give Kelly problems.

But with the caveat that Daboll has inside information on the offense and Allen that nobody else in the NFL would. That looks like it counted for something.

To me, a lot of it is on Allen not setting protections properly. I keep saying it, but it looked very similar to the Bengal playoff loss from last year. Allen seemed confused by the blitzes the Giants were running, didn't have the protections set properly and didn't know where the "answer" was on offense to get the ball out quickly. Seemed to get much better in the 2nd half, so hopefully that is a positive sign moving forward. There were several plays where multiple Bills OLinemen were standing around blocking air as 2 Giant defenders were on top of Allen almost unblocked from the snap...IMO, that points to protection calls being wrong and telling them to block the wrong people.

people really have recency bias badly on this forum. We beat bad teams worse than any other team in the NFL does typically.

He can't be involved more...he is trying to stay Anon as much as possible.

Yes, because the Bills passing attack was remedial under Greg Roman...same as it was in Baltimore...best run game in the NFL, passing game was like 8th grade level football.

I think the answer on O is that Allen is having trouble setting blitz protections properly in some looks he is getting...saw it in the Bengal playoff loss, saw in the Jags game, saw it last night. Appeared to improve in 2nd half... Guys were getting free when they had the people to block them, they simply were not in the right position to do so, and that is on Allen...and Morse if he is helping Allen still with those line calls.

Interesting look...Davis appears to be down with possession? Why was this not overturned on replay review...should have been looked at by the booth since it was a turnover?

Huh? We had one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL when Tyrod was here including leading the NFL in rushing one year by a wide margin. What are you talking about?

IMO, it starts with Allen setting protections properly up front. Too many pressures seemed to be from Allen not setting protections properly last night and the Giants getting quick pressures from guys that should have been blocked but weren't. Seemed very similar to the Bengal playoff game...Allen was under duress a lot during that game also, and again, it seemed he didn't seem to know what he was seeing or how to get it blocked.

What could have been the biggest blunder didn't turn out to be one since they scored anyway, but that shotgun run attempt on 2nd and inches from the goalline where Murray lost 2 yards was mind numbing to me...the only acceptable call in that situation is an Allen tush push...3 of them in a row if needed. Likely scores on the 1st one, but there is no excuse for that run call there. The actual TD pass to Harty on the next play was equally as brilliant as the previous playcall was terrible, he literally jogged into the endzone with no Giant defender on his side of the field.

IMO, to me, Allen has trouble setting protections properly in whatever looks the Giants were giving him yesterday which seemed eerily similar to the ones the Bengals gave in the playoffs last year that derailed the offense and Allen looked uncomfortable for most of that game. Seemed like the Bills had enough blockers to pick up what the Giants were doing but they simply didn't and to me it looked like they were looking to block someone else on a lot of those plays where the defender went right by them. Allen seemed to self-correct to a large degree by the 2nd half because he put up pretty good numbers after halftime including going 11 for 11 at one point, so hopefully whatever that was, he got it figured out, because now it's on tape twice and it won't be long until other teams try to copy this.

he had a bad game...doesn't usually have many and I am confident he will be fine.

We usually don't, we usually destroy them.

Well...this week featured a lot of very good to great teams either losing to much worse teams or barely scraping by... Chiefs scraped by the Broncos. Eagles lost to the Jets. 49ers lost to the 3rd string QB in Cleveland. Bills scraped by the Giants. I'd rather wake up today with the W in a "bad win" than with an L in a "great loss". You don't get awarded style points in the NFL, only L's or W's at the end of the day.

IMHO, that gameplan from Martindale was eerily familiar from the Bengals playoff game where Allen seemed under duress the entire the game. To ME, just while watching, it appeared Allen is having trouble setting the protections properly because there are often enough guys to block the defenders, but guys are getting free almost immediately, which seems like it's because they aren't blocking the right people. Not sure if anyone else can comment on this who might know more, but this it looked very similar to the Bengal playoff game last night where he was confused and under pressure a LOT right from the start of the play, and to me, that can only mean his protections are not set up properly to block right. Positive sign was that he seemed to figure it out at the half because his numbers coming out of halftime were much better.

I was wearing my blue JA17 jersey until the half then switched into my Color Rush red Diggs jersey. Allen looked so much better the 2nd half. You are welcome.

Not sure how much of that is on Dorsey. Allen seems to be having trouble with certain disguised blitz looks and from what I'm seeing, it "appears" he is not setting the protections properly for them leading to quick pressure when the BIlls have enough guys to block them. Not sure if anyone who knows more of the nuances can chime in, but that is what it looks like to my untrained eye... Honestly, last night reminded me a lot of what the Bengals did against in the playoffs us where Allen looked bad for a lot of the game. He is going to need to figure that out sooner rather than later because it's on tape now multiple times.