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How is the Game over there? If he does not catch that Pass it's 4th and 11 from the 36...The Jets can still try a 53 yard FG to tie, or they can go for it on 4th...And who really thinks this Defense would have stopped them on 4th Down? Yes Burress made a ridiculous catch on that Play...But knowing this Defense and this DC like I do...I knew somehow, someway, not only were the Jets going to score on that drive...They were going to score a TD...

Honest to God I've been saying this for a while now right here...I've joked that the next time Spiller breaks a tackle it will be his first...He goes down SO quick to contact it's a little crazy...That's why I never see him being an every Down NFL back...ever...Good NFL backs are tackle-breaking machines...Think about all the tackles Freddie broke just this year! Spiller shows flashes...But that's about it...Only thing is, he can do a couple of thing VERY well...We need to forget about where he was Drafted and let Gailey figure out how he can make an impact on 5-10 plays a Game...Then he can back-up Freddie, or whoever when they go down or need a breather, return punts and kicks, etc... I don't want to see this turn into a Maybin thing where the kid is gone because he can't live up to where he was Drafted...If we had Defensive Coaches worth a crap Maybin would be in Buffalo doing exactly what he does in NY and no more...And The Bills need Pass rush like we need air to breathe...So what if Maybin is half the player they thought they were Drafting...We need that half...The Bills need talent...period...So lets stop running talented Players off and start using their strengths, and hiding their weaknesses, by not putting them in situations to fail...

If Spencer Johnson is an OLB I'm King of the freaking world...

True he did in some... But there were HUGE red flags coming from the best of the best...Mike Mayock actually did a little segment on him the week leading up to the Draft where he stated Maybin was not worthy of a 1st Round Grade...On Draft Day, after the Bills picked him, Mayock said Maybin played at 230 at Penn St., and he did not know if Maybin could ever keep weight on in the NFL...He also said Maybin struggled vs. the Run in College, "so i know he's going struggle against the Run in the NFL...Is he only a one-down player?" So you're right...Draft Guides are not always the best place to look...Any idiot can write about the NFL Draft and sell rags with ratings when they have no clue...But a guy like Mayock could have REALLY helped The Bills over these years...REALLY, really helped...

No I'm not...And it does not bother me that you would think I was because I can honestly say I've never agreed with anything you've written on this Board...ever...So...No offense...We just don't see eye to eye...

I don't think anyone is delusional enough to call Moats "all-world." But can you say with confidence that the Bills Defensive Coaches have done anything to maximize the Kids potential? Because if you can, you're the only one on the planet earth outside of Edwards Staff that believes that...I doubt Gailey even believes it at this point...This is the worst defensive Coaching Staff in the NFL and it's headed by a guy who is completely over-matched in just about every facet... So if Moats, or any of the other 9 Front 7 Players added to this Defense in the last 2 years, is underachieving you can bet your life Coaching has something to do with it...It's pretty obvious actually...Edwards could not develop talent if his life depended on it...

Why indeed? For me I guess it's the fact that I personally love misery and strive for it in every facet of my life...That's why I chose The Buffalo Bills as my Team 40 some-odd years ago...I knew they would deliver on the heartache I craved!

Can't really argue with that take...The only thing I would say is that no question the Offense has been in a tailspin, but once this Team gets down by 3 TD's early vs. decent Defenses they don't exactly have much of a chance...So they press and suck even more...Still they, and Fitz, have pretty much stunk-it-up too no question... And I'm definitely not saying we'll be a SB caliber Team by only adding a new DC...My point is he's SO incredibly bad it's easy to figure out what needs to be step #1 in a several step plan...The Offensive improvements need to be at least 50% of that overall plan no question...But please start with Edwards...In fact he should already be gone...

It's really sad...But I agree 100%! While there is no greater need than pass rush on this Team, why do it if this Defensive Staff is still in place? It's useless...Unless you're going to get a guy like Peppers or Ware who can walk onto the field and dominate, there's going to be a need for development. Edwards and these Defensive Coaches have completely failed in the area of putting a Rookie or young player, in situations they can flourish while hiding their weaknesses...Since Nix has come they have added Troup, Carrington, Moats, Batten, Dareus, Williams, Shep, Searcy, Chris White, and Justin Rogers through the Draft...Not to mention Antonio Coleman and Kellen Heard through Free Agency...Outside of a glimmer every now-and-again from Dareus, Moats, Searcy, and Shep, these youngsters look mostly lost and over-matched week in and week out... That's 9 Prospects in the front 7 alone! And this Team gets little to no push, misses tackles, assignments, etc...They are a HUGE part of a Defense that is mostly a welcome mat to be walked all over by any NFL Offense that does not have half their roster on IR, and/or John Beck at QB... It's a joke...And I'm NOT saying this Team has Top 5 or even Top 10 talent on Defense...But they sure as heck should have Top 20 with all these young additions...If it's not Edwards and his Staff, lets face the facts, it HAS to be that Buddy Nix is the problem....That's an awful lot of young talent that is doing next to nothing...If it's not Coaching, then what? We better hope it's Coaching...Or more than half of The Bills Defense has got to be turned over...AGAIN!

I'm not looking to bash Fitz at all...But "most" of those INT's were not deflections...A couple were, and still more were ill-advised Passes...The one that was the most catchable was the Nelson INT last week...That ball should have been caught...Problem was it was 2 yards short of the 1st down anyway... Let's not get carried away here...Fitz is as much to blame as any single player for the Bills slide...And I'm not in favor of getting rid of the guy or anything like that...The only person more responsible for the Bills woes than any single Player is that idiot DC Edwards...But I'm not going to glorify Fitz here...He's played poorly, and I'll bet you he'll be the first one to tell you that...

Exactly!

I like Gailey long term...I'm not much of a Nix guy...To be perfectly honest he rubs me the wrong way...And I think outside of a no-brainer Pick at #3 overall he's done little to stop the bleeding...Despite his smug, "we know what we're doing" attitude... But that aside I'm not in favor of canning Nix either...But Edwards MUST go...I've never seen a DC in over his head more than Edwards...And I've been rabidly following this Sport for over 40 years...That guy is the biggest joke of a DC I've ever seen...I'm not kidding about that...He's that bad...

Well... Freddie is a huge blow...But that came AFTER a 3 Game stretch that killed the Season...And I'll grant you the injuries along the O-Line and to Kyle Williams have been tough...But this is the same thing we hear every year from this Team...They continue to Draft and TRY to build Depth...But it never seems to happen...This Team can't develop Depth, especially on Defense... Personally I think trying to build a Team with George Edwards as the DC is 100 times more damaging than the injuries have been...The Bills are never going to win consistently with that idiot running the Defense...He can't develop a decent College Prospect to save his life...Even studs like Dareus look FAR too average at times...The CB's have regressed under his watch...It's a mess on that side of the ball, and that's effecting everything...

Good point...And based on the 1st 7 Games I think you've got to put Fitz right behind Freddie... But based on the last 3 Games?...

I'll read slower next time if you promise to write something worth reading... Wise-guy... Happy Holidays to you too!!!

THIS is the definition of what it's like to be a Bills Fan... Thanks for the effort this year Freddie...You were far and away the best thing to watch on this Team... There's always next Year...Or is there?

Evaluation YEAR???? A YEAR to evaluate the talent?...I know that can't be exactly what you meant...But I'm kinda hoping Coaches and FO types who have been around football their entire lives don't need a full year to know what they've got...

Oh man!!! That made me I'm a bit obsessed with The Draft...So that explains why I was thinking about this on my way in to work this AM... The NFL is SUCH a tough-guy league...It's a league that often proves too tough for Players who have been playing football their entire lives and dominating most of that time...It's more than a mans league...Outside of the UFC it may be the most physically challenging sport to play when you consider the trenches or the front 7 on Defense for example... So how in the name of whatever God you believe in do you Draft Aaron Maybin before Brian Orakpo to play DE/OLB in the NFL?...Orakpo said before the Draft..."I'm Brian Orakpo...A Beast, a Monster, a Freak, what else you wanna know?" The guy put on 55 lbs of pure muscle at Texas...He looks mean, he plays meaner...He was a better College Player than Maybin and he did it longer...His play as a FRESHMAN earned him Defensive Freshman of the Year and First-team Freshman All-America by The Sporting News. 6-3-260, a 4.6 40 time...31 Reps at 225, and an almost 40 inch vertical...But with all that, the guy is a tough, tough guy...He's a guy you look at at the end of the day and say, OK...This Kid is tougher than nails...He works out with 100 lbs of chains around his freaking neck!!! There's not much finesse about him...He's a SUPER tough guy playing a super tough guys game... Cushing and Matthews were not much different...But looking back on it now, and ignoring what they have done in the NFL so far...How in Gods name did the Bills not draft Orakpo in 09? It boggles the mind...

Good point...I'm guessing the Bills Pick no later than 10th-13th...

Regardless of talent level I am firmly convinced of one thing...The Bills are the worst Coached Team on Defense in the NFL...Game Planning? I won't even go there...The fundamentals suck, they make too many mental errors, and the young players rarely look like they are improving...ever...Add to that the fact that opposing Offenses don't look like they even break a sweat as they are moving the ball drive, after drive, after drive...It's the worst Coached defense I think I've ever seen...I don't think they are a Top 5 Defense based on talent level regardless...But they certainly could be a Top 20...The Coaching is REAL bad...

Thanks Bill! Some of the old-timers around here may remember when I did my own Draft Reports and stuff before I got old and bitter...lol...But I love the NFL Draft!!!I also really appreciate what Astro and Rich do here all year...And I almost always agree with Badol...I certainly understand how difficult it is for Teams to do well in the Draft...That being said it's all but impossible, even if you're trying to do poorly, to reach the level of ineptitude the Bills have Drafting over the past decade or so... On Draft Day I like to Pick as if I'm The Bills GM...Then I can look back over the years and see how good, or terrible a Drafting GM I would be...In 2010 I took Bulaga in the 1st and Cody in the 2nd...I was definitely afraid of Dez Bryant...But that just shows you never know 100% when it comes to the off-the-field stuff...In 2009 I had Orakpo in the 1st (I REALLY liked Robert Ayers too but I could not bring myself to take him at #11)...I should also note that mostly due to what Mike Mayock said I would never have taken Maybin before the 2nd Round, and certainly not at #11...To me that Pick was Orakpo, Ayers, or Brian Cushing...I liked Matthews but I was worried about his "late bloomer" status and felt like he went right where he should have....I LOVED the Wood Pick...Anyway... Going back a bit I can say with pride that I was screaming at the TV when the Bills took Whitner...I wanted Ngata so bad, and I was SO convinced they were going to take him I went from chanting "Ngata! Ngata! Ngata!!!" to literally shouting "NOOOOOO!!!!!!" In 2008 I took Branden Albert at #11...And just to show I can suck at times too, I LOVED the Hardy Pick and was hoping the Bills would Draft him midway through the 2007 College Season...I was really thrilled when we got him in the 2nd...So... This past Draft I would have taken Dareus obviously...I was shocked the few days leading up to the Draft when it came out Denver was leaning towards Miller...I took Brooks Reed in the 2nd...I was bound and determined not to take a CB early...lol...But then in the 3rd I took Mallett...I was SO pissed The Bills did not Draft Ryan Mallett...Especially when they could have had him for a 3rd round Pick...I was really high on Mallett since he came to Michigan, my favorite College Team, as a Freshman...I know the Jury is still way, way, out on Mallett...But for a 3rd Round Pick I'm taking that gamble 100% of the time... So sure some of The Bills Fans around here could have done as well, or better than, the Folks actually being paid to do it...I think that's actually more due to how poorly The Bills have Drafted over these past few years...Because I'm definitely no Draft Guru...Regardless, I'm no where near convinced Nix is ready to break that terrible trend...Not yet anyway...We'll see this time next year...

I'm not sure why you posted a reply that basically said exactly what I did but made it sound like it was a rebuttal...I said I would not be surprised if they took a WR in the 1st Round and that it's a HUGE need... But anyway...Agreed...