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Not sure how Polian fits into this argument considering he's on record saying Barron is an "in-the-box" SS who wills struggle in coverage...So if you think Polian sucks you love Barron, If you think Polian is the man you're scared to death of the pick...

Agreed... You know...I am starting to feel that IF in fact they REALLY want Barron this info leaking out is a REAL bad thing...It's not like a Team can't come up ahead of The Bills and get him if they really want him...From most accounts everybody and their mother wants to trade down...So... Could not possibly agree more with this take... I think Barron is a good player...But... It's talent collecting...Not Team building IMHO...

I'm not comparing Maybin to Barron...Just how I felt about the Pick... I like Spiller as a player...I LOVED him in College...But I still don't think it was the right Pick for this team at the time with Freddie and Lynch on the Roster and a million needs elsewhere... My 4 year old Niece could have made the Dareus pick...so... I have some faith in Buddy...I'm just not as willing as some to give him a free pass...If he nails it this year then I'll be MUCH more willing...We'll see...

This is the whole rub with Barron... Now...I don't think anybody is saying he's the next Reed or Polomalu...But that's OK...Those are HOF Safeties...We're only looking for a perennial Pro Bowler... Seriously though...There are those who feel he is the next great NFL Safety...There are those who feel he is the next great NFL SS...There are those who feel he's not much more than a REAL good in-the-box, downhill, run-stopping SS...It's all over the place with this Kid...But most feel he will be good...Just how good is the question...

I like it! Switch out Jeffery for Wright and I would LOVE this Draft...

I'm guessing this is exactly how The Bills are looking at it...I think it's down to Barron and Kuechly...And they are going to go with the one they feel will match up best with the TE's, and fit best in what they are going to do on Defense... I'm not saying I agree with it, IF that is what they are thinking...but I do think you're close to the thought process if Barron end up being the pick... I'll say this too...And admittedly it means absolutely nothing..But in the past when I've had a REAL bad gut feeling about a pick I've always been able to justify it in my mind after a while...It's the Fan in me...You always want to believe it's going to be alright, or they know what they're doing more than I do...But I hated the Whitner, Maybin, and Spiller picks...All for different reasons...And Barron is giving me the same gut feeling as those high 1st Round picks...So...As a I said then, IF Barron is the pick, I hope I'm wrong... Anyway...

Well...I thought it was too...But it's pretty apparent The Bills Brass does not see it that way...Or they are just collecting talent, and ignoring Team building...Which to be honest is really concerning to me...Wilson is a Team Leader and they just Drafted Searcy...I know they don't care much about Locker Room stuff when they are trying to build a better Team...I hope the Locker Room sees it the same way...Because there are bigger needs on this Team...period... We'll see...

It's Barron... I agree with those who say this is reminding them a ton of the Spiller Pick...A guy at what is considered to be a non-need position who the Bills have rated VERY high...Maybe even higher than most teams... It's Barron...I just have a feeling...But I hope so much I'm wrong...

No question you're right...I just don't know if I think they're right... And I realize it's JMO...It's hard for me to believe they have Barron that much higher rated than others that may be available...For example, I'm not sure I've seen a single Big Board that has Barron rated ahead of Kuechly, and at least to me LB is a bigger need on this team...But maybe they do have Barron WAY ahead of Kuechly...We'll see...

Thanks for the link! Good read...I hope this guy is right...But I do think they view Barron as an answer in those short zone areas and TE coverage as well...It may come down to Barron or Kuechly...So...If I was GM and I had Barron and Kuechly with similar Grades, I would wonder what depth I like better...Morrison/Moats, or Wilson/Searcy/Scott...But that's just me...

I'd rather see it than Barron...I'll say that much...

Nobody rushed the passer either in those games...The QB's had all day...So was it the chicken or the egg? Either way if I though Barron was actually that guy...the guy who could come in a blanket a TE I would be AOK with it...but I'm not convinced he is...In fact I'm not convinced Barron would be that much more effective than Kuechly in that respect...And I think LB is a bigger need...I think The Bills have MUCH bigger Needs than SS...But maybe it's just me...I don't know... I'm just going to have to see if Barron can do it...Because there are PLENTY of NFL experts who think he can, and plenty who think he can't...We'll see...

Agreed...But some Teams have HUGE needs at Safety and Barron is clearly the best Safety in a REAL thin Safety class...I think most of these Teams would LOVE to have Wilson and Searcy too...It's all relative to need...Unless you're The Buffalo Bills of course...

Agreed...I just think for The Bills to pick Barron at this time they are basically compiling talent and not building a Team...No one can convince me that Barron will have a bigger impact on this Team as it stands now than Kuechly, Floyd, or Gilmore...My feeling is he's a SS...And there's no way I'm taking a SS at #10...Especially when I have a decent one, AND I just Drafted one in the 4th Round last year...And they both played OK with basically zero pass rush... Now Barron may come in and prove me completely wrong...That's why this is so much fun right?... But I just don't see why we are even thinking SS at this point for this team at #10...Makes no sense to me whatsoever...But that's JMO...

I'm not sure there has EVER been more differing opinions on a prospect than with Barron... CBS Sports - "He appears to have good, but not great, speed and was rarely put in a position where he had to cover a slot receiver man to man." "Man Coverage: Not often asked to drop down and cover the slot in this scheme. Is a bit stiff in the hips and has only average change of direction. Does show a late burst to close on the football. " Bill Polian - "a box safety who plugs the run but struggles in coverage." Pro Football Weekly - "Saban wisely protected him in coverage as a senior and allowed him to excel in the box, where he is most physical and consistently shows up in run support. However, he showed he possessed enough range off the hash as a junior and is capable of becoming an interchangeable back-half defender. " National Football Post - "Has the makings of a heck of a special teams player who can also attack downhill vs. the run game, play inside the box and drive on the football in front of him in the pass game. Isn't going to be a major threat turning and tracking the football." "Demonstrates above-average ball skills in man coverage and uses his length well to make plays on the football. However, anytime he's asked to re-direct and/or turn and run he will struggle with his balance. Is a little tighter in the hips because of size and when forced to turn and run, gets upright and doesn't reach top end speed quickly. However, did a much better job as a senior keeping his feet under him and collecting himself when asked to go up and make a play on the football. Makes a lot of calls in the secondary and has improved his instincts when feeling routes develop around him as a senior as well." Sideline Scouting - "Has stiffness in hips and lack of fluidity in deep coverage, projects best as a strong safety in the NFL... Coverage skills are average at best, does not have elite range in zone coverage, not fluid enough to run with a lot of slot receivers in the NFL... Change of direction ability is questionable, does not have the quickest feet, can play high at times... Will bite on play action at times when playing in the box, definitely a run-first defender, may be relegated to two-down run stopping early in career... Can be too aggressive at times, tends to take bad angles when flying around the field, will miss tackles in the open field... Lacks elite explosiveness, lack of quickness may be the biggest factor, needs to work on changing directions with more leverage and fluidity.. That's just a few I've read...One thing is certain though about Barron...Most every Scout feels he will be an excellent SS vs. the run...How he's going to fit into the passing game is where the difference in opinions really come out...

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True...But I'm uncertain as to why a regime that so far is 10-22 is beyond scrutiny at this point?...I'm not as optimistic about this Scouting Dept., and the thought process, as others...And I'm not a pessimist...Just a realist...I give Buddy his due...I know he knows football, but he comes across to me at least as being a little to smug...I'm just not sure I trust his judgement Draft-wise...And maybe it is just me...IMHO they are 1-1 in the Draft, with the one victory coming mainly due to a pick my 5 year old Niece could have made (Dareus)...So...Just saying...

Really?...That's brand new information I had no idea... The "they" I referred to was The Buffalo Bills...This is a Buffalo Bills Message Board...I'm giving my opinion on the Buffalo Bills... Nice CAPS btw...Excitable much? Oh and and that little smiley I had after that statement...That's for sarcasm...You know...When someone is kind of kidding, or half kidding...Get to know your smiley's...They are your friends...

I'm sure they knew a lot more about Whitner too when I wanted them to pick Ngata... I know it seems like I'm being hard on Barron, but I concede he's a VERY good prospect...I do think Barron is being a bit over-valued because he's clearly the best Safety in this Draft...I just don't think he's everything SOME Scouts (like McShay) are saying he is...And I'll side with Polian over McShay any day of the week and twice on Sunday...But the main reason I don't like Barron for The Bills is really not so much about the player, it's about the position and the Team...I believe in Team building and not talent collecting...I just don't think it's a good idea to Draft a SS at #10 for this Team as it is right now, and if I'm wrong so be it...In fact if they Pick Barron I hope I am wrong...If he's the Pick I will hope Barron becomes the next Polomalu...I just doubt it's gonna happen... I do agree about the Spiller reminder...And that's a whole different subject...I was against that pick as well for the same reasons I'm against the Barron pick...And I LOVED CJ Spiller in College...But we already had Marshawn and Freddie, and I did not like the Pick...But whatever...We'll see in a few years if this Barron Kid is worthy of a Top 10 Pick...Because it sure as heck looks like he's going there...

They just picked up on the WGR Report... BUT...The part about Polian disagreeing with McShay's take on the type of Safety Barron is...That's the REAL story here as far as I'm concerned...Like I've been saying all along...He's a downhill SS...And Folks are trying to turn him into something he's not. Just because he is clearly the best Safety in this Draft does not mean he's a FS or that he's going to be able to cover TE's...He's not a turn and run guy, or a cap the top of the Defense guy...He's not the prospect Eric Berry was...IMHO Barron's not an answer for the cover game...At least not the way some are reporting he will be... PFT Link

Thanks Y'all!...It's pretty clear the Board feels Gilmore may be taken before #10, and the preference is Kuechly over Barron and Gilmore...

Exactly... I know some Folks just toss this kind of thing aside...And maybe I should as well...But you're talking about benching a team leader, and pushing last years 4th Round Pick farther down the depth chart when he clearly showed promise as a Rookie...These are SS's who played with ZERO pass rush...It may not be popular around here...But I agree with Belichick....You build a Team, you don't collect talent...LT, WR, OLB, CB...All HUGE needs, and we're going to take a SS at #10?... I'll just say this...I never hope for a Bills Draft Pick to do anything but excel...But over the past few years I have REALLY hated a few 1st Rd picks...Whitner, Maybin, and Spiller...And I already hate the Barron Pick if that's what we do...I think my instincts are pretty good...But if we Pick Barron I hope I'm wrong...

Totally agree with the take on LB and DB...Plus we do have 10 picks...It's not like we can't go CB, S, and LB somewhere during this Draft... That being said I think it's got to be close to 90% that one of these 3 is the pick at #10...I'm feeling it slide that way...But I do REALLY hope for Jeffery in the 2nd...I like Jeffery more than Floyd btw...But that's just me...So...

I agree that Barron may be the best coming out...But Gilmore has a HUGE upside once he gets Coached up...His size/speed, blitz ability, and willingness to tackle is VERY attractive... Martin is a decent long-term project...But he's not a Buddy-type...And he would be a HUGE reach at #10...At #41 maybe...But just maybe...

I would not bet on that if I were you...There are Scouts that feel if Martin goes in the 1st Round he will be the most over-drafted player in the Draft...Martin needs at least a year or two to develop...