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I believe Maddox was more back in the Super Bowl years. But those numbers for Paup in 1995 were off the chart. He was a hell of a player for Green Bay and then the Bills. Too bad he took the money and left for the Jags. A great player. Not HOF great. But still had a really good career. An anecdote about Maddox. My mother used to work for the Western NY Blind Association as a social worker. She told me she helped one of Maddox's relatives who was blind. Said she met him, and he was a real nice guy.

I think you summed up Lamar perfectly. For whatever reason, the Ravens w John Harbaugh and Lamar seem to be the most beloved franchise in the NFL. Followed closely by the Mike Tomlin led Steelers. Those two can do no wrong per the media and the networks. Boo on that!! I would argue that Mike Vick overall was better then Lamar. When Vick played defenses were actually allowed to beat up QB's and WR's. And he still was an amazing talent to watch.

Nice call on Shane Nelson and Jim Haslett. They were really bad ass players back when playing LB, you needed to be a bad ass. Both were junior Jack Lamberts, for lack of a better reference. And I loved Spielman and Paup. Both special players. Spielman is an all timer, both from college and pro. And he was a riot as an announcer. (And that's coming from a Michigan guy.) And I still wear my #95 Paup jersey for special games. I bought that when I was in Buffalo at the start of the 1996 season. Got in a big fistfight at the Mighty Taco on Transit road late on the night before the Bills-Pats game that weekend. LOL Sam Rogers had some game as well. The 4 LB's we had then (Cowart, Newman, Holocek and Rogers) were a force.

I never saw George Saimes play. But he is on the wall. And I have heard that he was really really good. I remember Tony Greene. I liked Jeff Nixon too. He was a ball hawk. And what about Leonard Smith? He was an enforcer. At corner, seriously Nate Odomes?? Didn't love his game. I liked Thomas Smith, Terrance McGhee and especially Antoine Winfield better. Nate Clements was real good. (And we should have never let him and Winfield leave) Byrd and Edgerson were before my time as well. But I heard they were real good also. What about Tre White? Don't like the Shane Conlan pick. He was good, but all time good? Was he better then John Holacek? Milano is better than Conlan. Sam Cowart would have been better but for the injury he suffered on the fateful day in 2000 in the rain in Tampa. What about London Fletcher and Takeo Spikes? Bennett and Talley were both special. I don't have time for the rest right now. But it sure is great to think about all the old Bills players and teams. You must have watched those 60's teams a bunch. Were they a really good outfit to watch and root for?

Good for your buddy. Did he go to UM, or is he from Michigan? I went there in the mid 80's when Bo was still coaching and Harbaugh was our QB. I live in Fort Lauderdale part time, so I follow the Hurricanes some. They are very popular down there. They have been exciting the past few years. But just don't seem to be able to close out games against the good teams. I will be rooting for them this year again. Have to try and go see a game. It is hot at the Hard Rock stadium in the fall for those day games though. But like I said, I love college football.

With the conference realignments this year. (Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC. USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington to the Big 10, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Oregon to the Big 12, and even SMU (who has a very exciting team) Stanford and Cal to the ACC.) There will be some very exciting new matchups to watch. I am a big Michigan guy. And we play Texas Washington, Oregon, USC and Ohio State this year. I am so pumped to watch those games. Give it another try Corta. You can do it. And very good reference comparing the current AFC West to the AFC East of the mid 2000's. A bad memory for us to say the least.

I loved watching Bert Jones as a kid. He threw the deep ball as well as anyone I ever saw on that dirt field in Baltimore. I also loved watching Ken “the snake” Stabler. He was just so clutch. And won a lot of games w the Raiders. A lot more characters back in the day. Game has become so technical and robotic. At least you get a lot of improv and raw joy and emotion from Joe Allen.

As Herm Edwards used to always say. Nothing good happens after midnight. That’s a big time tragedy. 3 young men killed in an MVA. I have 3 young adult children and i always hope they are living right and not taking too many stupid chances. Sometimes it’s not even peoples fault. Wrong place at the wrong time. RIP to all 3.

You are pretty spot on Corta. I like that you are interested in the entire NFL. Do you like college football a lot also? When I saw your worst case for the Chiefs at only 11-6, At first glance I thought that was giving them a little too much love. Then I looked up their schedule for 2024. And it does not look that difficult on paper playing their cross over games against the NFC South. And their division on paper still looks pretty weak. Denver and Las Vegas don't look like they have much at QB, at least compared to Mahomes. And the Chargers were crap last year. And yes Harbaugh is a good coach. But I am not sold on Herbert as much as some are. People were always blaming their coach. And yes he made some questionable decisions. But Herbert is soft. And tends to play small in big moments. And the Chargers secondary was god awful last year. But every year is a new season. So maybe KC gets too comfy and cocky. And Kelce really starts to fall off. That would be perfect. As for the Bills. I like us in the 12-5 range if the defense can stay healthy.

Mahomes is a whiny B word. Allen is one hell of a cool dude. I want Allen as my guy every day over Mahomes and twice on Sunday! The thing that burns me up is that noone tries to light Mahomes up when he is running out of bounds. Its like the league has told teams, your guys will be suspended if you take Mahomes out when he is running for the sidelines. The Raider game on Christmas day is a perfect example. (And Mahomes was ***** that day btw) And then the playoff game against Miami. Noone wanted to even touch him on the Miami defense. I know it was brutally cold. But come on. Aren't defensive guys paid to hit offensive guys? Where is Kiko Alonso when you need him? Mahomes also has had Kelce. Especially in the playoffs. Diggs has never been Kelce. And he wasn't anything for us in the playoffs. The best Josh Allen had in the playoffs was Gabe Davis against Indy and one game against the Chiefs. Mahomes is a whiny B word. Allen is one hell of a cool dude. I want Allen as my guy every day over Mahomes and twice on Sunday! The thing that burns me up is that noone tries to light Mahomes up when he is running out of bounds. Its like the league has told teams, your guys will be suspended if you take Mahomes out when he is running for the sidelines. The Raider game on Christmas day is a perfect example. (And Mahomes was ***** that day btw) And then the playoff game against Miami. Noone wanted to even touch him on the Miami defense. I know it was brutally cold. But come on. Aren't defensive guys paid to hit offensive guys? Where is Kiko Alonso when you need him? Mahomes also has had Kelce. Especially in the playoffs. Diggs has never been Kelce. And he wasn't anything for us in the playoffs. The best Josh Allen had in the playoffs was Gabe Davis against Indy and one game against the Chiefs. Mahomes is a whiny B word. Allen is one hell of a cool dude. I want Allen as my guy every day over Mahomes and twice on Sunday! The thing that burns me up is that noone tries to light Mahomes up when he is running out of bounds. Its like the league has told teams, your guys will be suspended if you take Mahomes out when he is running for the sidelines. The Raider game on Christmas day is a perfect example. (And Mahomes was ***** that day btw) And then the playoff game against Miami. Noone wanted to even touch him on the Miami defense. I know it was brutally cold. But come on. Aren't defensive guys paid to hit offensive guys? Where is Kiko Alonso when you need him? Mahomes also has had Kelce. Especially in the playoffs. Diggs has never been Kelce. And he wasn't anything for us in the playoffs. The best Josh Allen had in the playoffs was Gabe Davis against Indy and one game against the Chiefs. Mahomes is a whiny B word. Allen is one hell of a cool dude. I want Allen as my guy every day over Mahomes and twice on Sunday! The thing that burns me up is that noone tries to light Mahomes up when he is running out of bounds. Its like the league has told teams, your guys will be suspended if you take Mahomes out when he is running for the sidelines. The Raider game on Christmas day is a perfect example. (And Mahomes was ***** that day btw) And then the playoff game against Miami. Noone wanted to even touch him on the Miami defense. I know it was brutally cold. But come on. Aren't defensive guys paid to hit offensive guys? Where is Kiko Alonso when you need him? Mahomes also has had Kelce. Especially in the playoffs. Diggs has never been Kelce. And he wasn't anything for us in the playoffs. The best Josh Allen had in the playoffs was Gabe Davis against Indy and one game against the Chiefs. Mahomes is a whiny B word. Allen is one hell of a cool dude. I want Allen as my guy every day over Mahomes and twice on Sunday! The thing that burns me up is that noone tries to light Mahomes up when he is running out of bounds. Its like the league has told teams, your guys will be suspended if you take Mahomes out when he is running for the sidelines. The Raider game on Christmas day is a perfect example. (And Mahomes was ***** that day btw) And then the playoff game against Miami. Noone wanted to even touch him on the Miami defense. I know it was brutally cold. But come on. Aren't defensive guys paid to hit offensive guys? Where is Kiko Alonso when you need him? Mahomes also has had Kelce. Especially in the playoffs. Diggs has never been Kelce. And he wasn't anything for us in the playoffs. The best Josh Allen had in the playoffs was Gabe Davis against Indy and one game against the Chiefs. Mahomes is a whiny B word. Allen is one hell of a cool dude. I want Allen as my guy every day over Mahomes and twice on Sunday! The thing that burns me up is that noone tries to light Mahomes up when he is running out of bounds. Its like the league has told teams, your guys will be suspended if you take Mahomes out when he is running for the sidelines. The Raider game on Christmas day is a perfect example. (And Mahomes was ***** that day btw) And then the playoff game against Miami. Noone wanted to even touch him on the Miami defense. I know it was brutally cold. But come on. Aren't defensive guys paid to hit offensive guys? Where is Kiko Alonso when you need him? Mahomes also has had Kelce. Especially in the playoffs. Diggs has never been Kelce. And he wasn't anything for us in the playoffs. The best Josh Allen had in the playoffs was Gabe Davis against Indy and one game against the Chiefs.

Hyde looked slow last year. But maybe he can have a resurgence like we are all hoping for from Von Miller. When did Hamlin look serviceable at any point in his career?

McCarthy is a big joke. The performance by the Cowboys against Green Bay in last years playoffs should have gotten him fired. Not to mention us crushing the Boys late in the season. They looked pathetic. McDermott kept the team on course after we fell to 6-6 in Philly last year, when the wheels were about to fall off. The guy is not a football savant. But the team is tough, is prepared, plays hard and competes every week. I like our chances with him leading us. That doesn’t mean I agree with every call he makes. But I think the franchise is in good hands w him as head coach. We have a tough schedule this year. But I expect McDermott to have us ready opening week. And if we are not decimated by injuries on D like last year, there is no reason we are not in the mix for the Super Bowl.

If we sign Hyde, can we finally get rid of Hamlin? Nice story that he is still alive and ticking, and can hopefully live a normal life for many years. But my god the guy can't play a lick of football at the NFL level..

Do you think Cooper Rush is really much below the level of Dak Prescott? For whatever reason (because he plays for the Cowboys?) the narrative with Prescott has always been bigger then his ability on the field. And to a lesser degree with Ezekiel Elliott as well. It would be quite a statement by Jerry to not give Prescott a new extension. Some other team wants to pay him big bucks, its on them.

Bernard was easily a top 100 player last year. And should be top 50-60 this year. He made that many plays. Douglas is a top 100 player and Milano is certainly. Taron Johnson maybe. His coverage skills are good, but not great. Ed Oliver is good but just doesn’t seem to dominate game in and game out at a level that Kyle Williams or Marcel Darius did. Or even Pat Williams for that matter back in the day. Someone who really loves Ed’s game tell me what I am missing. Kincaid should be a beast this year if we let him run routes at least 15 yards+ down the field.

Is Mason Crosby available? His leg is not great anymore. But inside of 50 he is pretty clutch. And he is used to kicking in the winter elements of Green Bay. Just a thought.

Finally someone who actually thinks before writing on here. Too bad it took to the second page of this thread. Joey Bosa when healthy is better than anyone we have rushing the passer. He plays w an edge and has a big time motor. Guy is dam good when healthy. What’s not to like.

Cousins is average? What guy have you been watching the past decade? Kirk Cousins has game. He isn't Josh Allen Joe Burrow Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers in his prime. But he has been a good above average very solid QB his entire career. Not sure why you would consider him average. He can make all the throws. And is a good leader. I put Cousins on the level of Lamar Hurts Dak Prescott and Jared Goff. And better then Justin Herbert.

Why do you think the Cowboys are hostage? They can move on from Dak. Are they going to be worse if they went with Cooper Rush or Trey Lance? Teams get too smitten with some guys, just because they have been there a while. Look at the results. Dak is good at times. But he is no Josh Allen. Doesn't play with that fire. But Jerry loves his players. Thinks there always better then they really are. That's why the Cowboys are always a paper tiger. Management thinks because these guys have the star on their helmet they are something special. Cowboys didn't look too special playing in the rain and cold of Buffalo last year. Or in the playoffs at home against the Packers. And their coach Fatty McCarthy isn't very special either. McDermott has owned him. But if the Cowboys were smart enough to let Dak walk, or at least wait to see what he brings to the team this year, some other team will be stupid enough to pay him big bucks, and get less production then they hoped for. Here is a question for you and the entire board. Who would you rather have as your starting QB for the next 2-4 years, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins or Dak Prescott? And throw in Jalen Hurts and Trevor Lawrence also.

Hurts is big time overrated. The Eagles won because they had an excellent O line. Hurts can't carry them passing the ball. He showed that in the second of last season. The same with Trevor Lawrence. He has been decent for his 3 years in the league. Decent QB's are way overvalued in the NFL. Its going to be the same with Dak Prescott. Are the Cowboys going to fall into that trap as well? Unless gets real close to winning a Super Bowl, I let Dak walk and draft or bring someone in a lot cheaper.

Kelce gets so wide open because noone ever drills him at the line of scrimmage when he releases. He is a big man. And safety's today are not overly physical. Bracketing him with a tall LB in front and a safety behind him seems like a smart idea. But then again most LB's are not very tall anymore either. Bryan Erlacher would have been the perfect LB to try and cover Kelce. We had Tremaine Edmunds. He is tall. But he couldn't cover anyone.

I agree 100. Gabe is not a 14M/year pro football player. He is a good teammate and works hard. But does not have exceptional athletic ability for the NFL game. Not everyone does. Doesn't mean he can't play because he can. (Compared to a Trent Sherfield he is all world.) He just doesn't have any special traits that make him indispensable to an NFL roster. Really surprised how much Jacksonville paid him. (But then again not really. Something about that franchise and Doug Pederson that kind of screams clown show-sure Pederson won a Super Bowl w the Eagles. But I like the way McDermott runs an NFL team a whole lot better then the Pederson way)

I just looked up Gabe's stats for his 4 years on the Bills. And that's a fair assessment of his production. Just wish he would have been more dominant on a week in, week out basis. It will be interesting to see what Claypool can do with a great QB.

That's impressive Bear. A little before my time. I was in elementary school when the A's were dominant in the 70's. Here is a tidbit, my girlfriend's grandfather played in the major leagues for a decade from 1938 to 1947. His name was Roy Cullenbine. Played for a bunch of teams. Had a real solid career too, when you look up his stats. He may have had the most walks of any player in MLB history at the time he retired.

Tomlin won one Super Bowl. Big Ben's first Super Bowl was Cowher's last year. McDermott's defenses have folded in the playoffs. We just haven't been good enough. Pittsburgh's front 7 back in the early Tomlin years was much more dominant then the Bills front 7. They had James Harrison, James Farrior Lamar Woodley Casey Hampton Lawrence Timmons, Brett Keisel etc. Just a better unit then ours. We had Tremaine Edmunds Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson etc. You get the picture. And last year when we finally had studs at LB in Milano and Bernard, they and a bunch of other guys were injured in the playoffs. Tomlin's teams the past many years have not been very good. They haven't sucked. But they have not been contenders. But Tomlin will be there a while. That's Pittsburgh's way. Unless they are 5-12, the Steelers will continue to be what they are. And that's fine with me. Because we have always matched up well against them since McDermott has been our head coach.