Casey D

Good points. They were in a bad QB situation for years. Fans largely hated Tyrod. What alchemy were they going to perform to fix it in one off season. They drafted a QB hopefully through the long term. In the meantime they were going to muddle through. That's what is happening now. Some great alternative to Allen did not exist, except in people's imaginations.

I understand, but I think that is just silly. Having him throw 40 times every games and getting pounded into the ground often is not the only way to develop him. Baby steps. Keep him upright. Win some games. He learns just by being out there. Winning builds confidence. Better than holding a clipboard, which would have been optimal but we have no other viable QB.

It is. This team is exactly what it looked like it would be. The Bills had very limited off-season resources because of the dead cap issues. What resources they had they spent on defense. Then their two best O-Line players retire. No money to replace them. So the team has a good defense and an atrocious offense. Allen is doing fairly well under bad circumstances. But he is not getting pounded into the ground so far, so hopefully he avoids the Trent Edwards fiasco. He has shown better mobility than I expected, has a great positive attitude, and is smart. And his arm is one of the best I have ever seen. I like the idea of Anderson coming in to help coach him up. The Bills never were going to win an SB this year. Frankly 2-3 with this schedule is as good as I could hope for. If they get to 3-4, that would be great. So long as they can avoid Allen getting killed either mentally or physically, developing him in a nothing to lose thrown into the fire season will pay dividends long term, as this kid has the make up to survive this year. And if he does, lots of resources for next season to fix the line, add a real #1 receiver, and a good CB to pair with White outside. It's clear what the plan is. Losing Wood and Incognito really through this year into turmoil, and the receivers were always a problem-- although I am liking Jones a whole lot more. Next year this team could be bona fide good.

No kidding. In Washington, a kid like Allen driving the team to a last minute win and he would be hailed as a future hall of famer. On this board, many have decided he is a bust. It's absurd. 4 games.

You are really funny.

Hardly. Committing treason against the United States to keep people enslaved is pathetic. We saved you from even further backwardness. Given how much money the South sucks off the blue states even today, it would be fine if you just said "thank you."

It's thinking like this that shows why the Confederacy got its ass kicked, and why Southerners revel in that ass kicking.

:-) You are so right. Discourse has become way too mean. We should be able to disagree without being a**holes.

Good stuff. I agree. As fans I think all you can ask is that the GM be aggressive and get a player they wanted. In terms of the player himself, there are only about 10-12 guys on the planet of over 7 billion that can play QB at a high level in the NFL. The best scouts and GMs are at best taking an educated guess on who those people are. Lay folks are largely just taking guesses based on little. If people knew with a high degree of certainty who will be good and bad at QB, they could make a fortune. Allen seems to have everything needed too be good, physical talent and brains. It's no guarantee, but it's about the best predictors you have. And Beane and McDermott seem to know what they are doing, so I am going to be hopeful

I don't think so. But in fairness to you, the OP writes in a strange language.

Wow, how pompously insulting.

My bad, I misread that somewhere. He was 3 QB in 2016 draft, but low first round.

Nope Keenum is their guy. They moved up and took Lynch with the 5th overall and it bombed. New approach.

He's only 29. Quality character. He's shown he can play with the right offense. And we can use all our other picks, 6 in the first 100, to fill numerous holes. Unless they are sure there is "the guy" in order to mortgage the future by giving away a handful of draft picks, Foles is an upgrade over Tyrod without costing a fortune in $$$ or draft picks. Don't even have to extend him yet. If Tyrod is worth a high 3rd, Foles is easily worth a low 2nd.

I would.

Yep. And they like their 3rd QB. Wentz might miss a game or two at most. If Philly can get a 2nd and a third for Foles, it would be a steal for them.

But Philly is in cap hell and has few draft picks. True they might get sentimental, but Foles' value is as high now as it ever will be. Smart management would move him.

He's a free agent in 2019

Agree on all counts. Well said.

To elaborate a bit more, the Bills were absolutely dreadful for that three game stretch with the Jets, NO and Chargers. -80 in three games. Before those three games 5-2, after 4-2 and overall + 23, with both second half losses to NE. I don't know why they were so bad for those three games, but it skews all the statistical analysis. Run a +23 over 13 games and I'll bet 9-4 is not so outlandish. The two losses to NE were -41. So 9-2 with a +64 in 11 games. Basically for all but those three horrid games, the Bills played consistently well, and won close games. Their season was similar to KC, who was 5-0, 1-6, and 4-0. Why, who knows. Unless the team from those three horrid games shows up, they will give Jax a good game.

Where is Savior Peterman and all the "fans" who said we would be outclassed by the Fins?

That's not really right. The only way the Chargers have a tiebreaker over the Bills is if they are the only two teams at 9-7 for the second wild card spot. If a third team is involved, the Bills will have the tiebreaker based on better conference record. Similar situation with KC, but in reverse. We win the head to head if we and KC are alone at 9-7. But add in a third team and the tiebreaker may become strength of victory as conference records would be the same, and KC beats us at that. So it's really hard to know how you want this game to shake out if you are a Bills fan. But right now it seems like if 9-7 gets the second wild card, it will be a three team deal. Oh, and the game between KC and LAC is Saturday night, not Sunday.

The tiebreaker with the Ravens is not clear yet. If the Bills win 3, then the Ravens must lose 2 and both are 9-7. Both would have 7-5 conference records, the first relevant tiebreaker. Next is record in games against common opponent-- minimum of 4 common opponents. Here that is met, as both teams will play the Bengals dolphins Raiders and Colts. Buffalo is 1-1 in those games now, while Ravens are 3-0. Assuming the Bills lose to NE, they would end up 4-1 against the common opponents. Ravens still have Colts and Bengals. If one of the losses is to these teams-- other opponents are Pitt and Cleveland-- they end up at 4-1 as well. Then it goes to strength of victories and then strength of schedule, and I have no idea how that works out. Now if there is a three way tie, you do the same exercise but with the three teams. Again, it all depends yet on tiebreakers. But Ravens must lose two if Buffalo goes 3-1 to get to tiebreakers.

Very cool!!!

I'm a Tyrod fan. Works so hard, classic overachiever. Great leader. Teammates love him. Is he a great QB, no. But there are lots of guys with more talent doing much less. Does not mean we should not strive to find better. But your odds of finding worse are much higher. On a planet of 7 1/2 billion people, only about 5 men play QB in the NFL at a high level, and another 8 or so that are pretty good. Everyone else is roughly Tyrod or less. That is what is killing the NFL in a game where QB is everything most of the time.