Casey D

Allen is not going to be declared "fully healthy" for Jax IMO. He may be healthy enough to back up Barkley. He will be healthy for sure by week 14.

Nice job. Keeping traditions going is important. And you do it with style!

We should always take the best player based on after the fact performance. Easy.

But that's meaningless. He may show"more advanced NFL QB skills" at this early juncture, but his 44 QB rating on Thursday shows that even with those "advance skills" he is not much good at this point. His third grade reading skills compared to Allen's second grade skills tells me nothing about who might win a Pulitzer in 2025. No predictive value at all. If you are saying his floor is a little higher than Allen, it says nothing about the ceiling, which is all that matters in the long run. Look I understand you prefer Rosen to Allen, and I'm sorry you did not get your way. But the rest of this is just rationalizations, though maybe someday you will be able to see McBeane in an unemployment line somewhere and gleefully tell them "I told you so." It will be cathartic.

People see what they want to see.

Of course not. No one does. But many have and continue to claim Rosen is superior, based on no facts. They preferred Rosen and that's that. If Allen ends up in the HOF and Rosen is bagging groceries in 2021, it will be because McCoy ruined him or some such thing. None of the rookies look great-- hardly surprising at this juncture. But for everyone other than Allen, "it's let see how it turns out." For Allen the view is he was always going to be a bust, and he has busted. Double standard.

Exactly.

To zoneabb--I think you are missing the point. Neither Allen nor Rosen have lit the world up, they look like rookies. But the "we should have taken Rosen over Allen crowd" contend that Rosen's performances thus far, compared to Allen, somehow validate their position. Last night is evidence that is clearly untrue. Reality is that the jury is out on both of them. But those that say it has been demonstrated that that we should have taken Rosen are presenting "alternative facts." Such is the state of discourse in the age of Trump. Just make stuff up to support your preordained conclusion.

Good stuff!

Good points. They were in a bad QB situation for years. Fans largely hated Tyrod. What alchemy were they going to perform to fix it in one off season. They drafted a QB hopefully through the long term. In the meantime they were going to muddle through. That's what is happening now. Some great alternative to Allen did not exist, except in people's imaginations.

I understand, but I think that is just silly. Having him throw 40 times every games and getting pounded into the ground often is not the only way to develop him. Baby steps. Keep him upright. Win some games. He learns just by being out there. Winning builds confidence. Better than holding a clipboard, which would have been optimal but we have no other viable QB.

It is. This team is exactly what it looked like it would be. The Bills had very limited off-season resources because of the dead cap issues. What resources they had they spent on defense. Then their two best O-Line players retire. No money to replace them. So the team has a good defense and an atrocious offense. Allen is doing fairly well under bad circumstances. But he is not getting pounded into the ground so far, so hopefully he avoids the Trent Edwards fiasco. He has shown better mobility than I expected, has a great positive attitude, and is smart. And his arm is one of the best I have ever seen. I like the idea of Anderson coming in to help coach him up. The Bills never were going to win an SB this year. Frankly 2-3 with this schedule is as good as I could hope for. If they get to 3-4, that would be great. So long as they can avoid Allen getting killed either mentally or physically, developing him in a nothing to lose thrown into the fire season will pay dividends long term, as this kid has the make up to survive this year. And if he does, lots of resources for next season to fix the line, add a real #1 receiver, and a good CB to pair with White outside. It's clear what the plan is. Losing Wood and Incognito really through this year into turmoil, and the receivers were always a problem-- although I am liking Jones a whole lot more. Next year this team could be bona fide good.

No kidding. In Washington, a kid like Allen driving the team to a last minute win and he would be hailed as a future hall of famer. On this board, many have decided he is a bust. It's absurd. 4 games.

You are really funny.

Hardly. Committing treason against the United States to keep people enslaved is pathetic. We saved you from even further backwardness. Given how much money the South sucks off the blue states even today, it would be fine if you just said "thank you."

It's thinking like this that shows why the Confederacy got its ass kicked, and why Southerners revel in that ass kicking.

:-) You are so right. Discourse has become way too mean. We should be able to disagree without being a**holes.

Good stuff. I agree. As fans I think all you can ask is that the GM be aggressive and get a player they wanted. In terms of the player himself, there are only about 10-12 guys on the planet of over 7 billion that can play QB at a high level in the NFL. The best scouts and GMs are at best taking an educated guess on who those people are. Lay folks are largely just taking guesses based on little. If people knew with a high degree of certainty who will be good and bad at QB, they could make a fortune. Allen seems to have everything needed too be good, physical talent and brains. It's no guarantee, but it's about the best predictors you have. And Beane and McDermott seem to know what they are doing, so I am going to be hopeful

I don't think so. But in fairness to you, the OP writes in a strange language.

Wow, how pompously insulting.

My bad, I misread that somewhere. He was 3 QB in 2016 draft, but low first round.

Nope Keenum is their guy. They moved up and took Lynch with the 5th overall and it bombed. New approach.

He's only 29. Quality character. He's shown he can play with the right offense. And we can use all our other picks, 6 in the first 100, to fill numerous holes. Unless they are sure there is "the guy" in order to mortgage the future by giving away a handful of draft picks, Foles is an upgrade over Tyrod without costing a fortune in $$$ or draft picks. Don't even have to extend him yet. If Tyrod is worth a high 3rd, Foles is easily worth a low 2nd.

I would.

Yep. And they like their 3rd QB. Wentz might miss a game or two at most. If Philly can get a 2nd and a third for Foles, it would be a steal for them.