Casey D

Nope Keenum is their guy. They moved up and took Lynch with the 5th overall and it bombed. New approach.

He's only 29. Quality character. He's shown he can play with the right offense. And we can use all our other picks, 6 in the first 100, to fill numerous holes. Unless they are sure there is "the guy" in order to mortgage the future by giving away a handful of draft picks, Foles is an upgrade over Tyrod without costing a fortune in $$$ or draft picks. Don't even have to extend him yet. If Tyrod is worth a high 3rd, Foles is easily worth a low 2nd.

I would.

Yep. And they like their 3rd QB. Wentz might miss a game or two at most. If Philly can get a 2nd and a third for Foles, it would be a steal for them.

But Philly is in cap hell and has few draft picks. True they might get sentimental, but Foles' value is as high now as it ever will be. Smart management would move him.

He's a free agent in 2019

Agree on all counts. Well said.

To elaborate a bit more, the Bills were absolutely dreadful for that three game stretch with the Jets, NO and Chargers. -80 in three games. Before those three games 5-2, after 4-2 and overall + 23, with both second half losses to NE. I don't know why they were so bad for those three games, but it skews all the statistical analysis. Run a +23 over 13 games and I'll bet 9-4 is not so outlandish. The two losses to NE were -41. So 9-2 with a +64 in 11 games. Basically for all but those three horrid games, the Bills played consistently well, and won close games. Their season was similar to KC, who was 5-0, 1-6, and 4-0. Why, who knows. Unless the team from those three horrid games shows up, they will give Jax a good game.

Where is Savior Peterman and all the "fans" who said we would be outclassed by the Fins?

That's not really right. The only way the Chargers have a tiebreaker over the Bills is if they are the only two teams at 9-7 for the second wild card spot. If a third team is involved, the Bills will have the tiebreaker based on better conference record. Similar situation with KC, but in reverse. We win the head to head if we and KC are alone at 9-7. But add in a third team and the tiebreaker may become strength of victory as conference records would be the same, and KC beats us at that. So it's really hard to know how you want this game to shake out if you are a Bills fan. But right now it seems like if 9-7 gets the second wild card, it will be a three team deal. Oh, and the game between KC and LAC is Saturday night, not Sunday.

The tiebreaker with the Ravens is not clear yet. If the Bills win 3, then the Ravens must lose 2 and both are 9-7. Both would have 7-5 conference records, the first relevant tiebreaker. Next is record in games against common opponent-- minimum of 4 common opponents. Here that is met, as both teams will play the Bengals dolphins Raiders and Colts. Buffalo is 1-1 in those games now, while Ravens are 3-0. Assuming the Bills lose to NE, they would end up 4-1 against the common opponents. Ravens still have Colts and Bengals. If one of the losses is to these teams-- other opponents are Pitt and Cleveland-- they end up at 4-1 as well. Then it goes to strength of victories and then strength of schedule, and I have no idea how that works out. Now if there is a three way tie, you do the same exercise but with the three teams. Again, it all depends yet on tiebreakers. But Ravens must lose two if Buffalo goes 3-1 to get to tiebreakers.

Very cool!!!

I'm a Tyrod fan. Works so hard, classic overachiever. Great leader. Teammates love him. Is he a great QB, no. But there are lots of guys with more talent doing much less. Does not mean we should not strive to find better. But your odds of finding worse are much higher. On a planet of 7 1/2 billion people, only about 5 men play QB in the NFL at a high level, and another 8 or so that are pretty good. Everyone else is roughly Tyrod or less. That is what is killing the NFL in a game where QB is everything most of the time.

:-). People come to issues with different perspectives and leads to different positions. Does not mean they are bad people or are arguing in bad faith.

I do not find your argument persuasive. It is the equivalent of someone saying all Republicans are racists. Some are, but that does not mean it is the core belief of the party. BLM is looking for justice for African Americans in how they are treated by police compared to white people. Showing me an extremist hot head does not prove your point that BLM is just a slimy cause against white people, any more than Charlottesville shows all Republicans are white supremacists. BLM has a point. It flows from a history of slavery to Jim Crow and on-going racism in America. Do I agree with every, or even most of what they do, no. But they have a valid point of view if you examine all sorts of statistics on police behavior. The fact that NFL players have the stature to draw attention to this matter does not make them hypocrites, they are using their status to make a point to help less fortunate people who are largely powerless in our system. I know we will never agree on this, but I promise I don't think you are a racist just because we disagree.

Why do you say that?

So if that is right, why do folks think we should have gotten more? I'm confused.

Sorry if I was not clear. My point is that finding a great NFL QB is not easy so if you are going to wait and find a franchise QB before you try and compete is not a satisfactory plan. Everyone can agree a great QB is really a huge help, but very few play the position well-- it's actually amazing how few given the population size. 20 or so starting QBs are B- quality and below, it's just a fact. And talent evaluators generally cannot forecast who will be a good QB, as you see so many high pick busts and the 10 or so elite ones often were not highly regarded at draft time, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Prescott, etc. I believe the dearth of QB talent and the inability to identify good QBs is having a major negative impact on the popularity of the game, given how critical the position is to success. So the repeated mantra is we have no chance without a QB so why worry when you don't have one is not really meaningful because it is not like making a stop at the grocery store and picking one up. And my point about buying more lottery tickets is that the Bills need to take more swings at finding a good QB, because they are so hard to find you need to get lucky and you can't get lucky without taking more possible QBs.

There are roughly 10 people who can play QB at a high level on a planet with a population over 7 billion. Keep buying those lotto tickets, because those are the odds. In the meantime, you need a Plan B while you wait for your ticket to be punched. Problem with the Bills, they have not bought enough tickets over the year. They buy one once in a while and think they've got it. The have not.

Agree. It is hard to get any facts from the BN because of its crusade against the Pegulas. While it is clear that the Pegulas and Whaley-- who is not a public speaker-- have handled this badly from a PR perspective, there really is not much of a story here. The facts as distilled from Wawrow and Whaley's news conference are as follows: The Pegulas believe the defense on this team is a disaster, which is terribly disappointing as they hired Rex believing him to be a defensive coach stud who could take the 2014 defense to new levels. Terry believes TT is an OK QB--he'd like better but knows we could do worse--but it is hard to judge him fairly when the defense is a sieve. There were discussions for a while about Rex being fired given the foregoing problems--including Whaley. His job status was TBD after year end, and there was a good chance he would be fired. Last Tuesday, however, Rex forced the issue with Pegula after Rex asked Whaley to drop off the line. Given the situation, Terry said look Rex you might well be fired, yadda yadda yadda, Terry did not want to mislead Rex so he let him go. Walking out the door, Terry says what do we do about Sunday against the Jets, Rex says "I don't give an eff, Lynn is the only guy left in the building use him, I'm going to watch the Clemson game." Whaley is somewhat surprised because there was supposed to be an e v a l on coaching at year end, but Terry fired Rex early. Shock to Whaley, no. But did not do planned e v a l. His explanation in PC is lame because he can't speak well. Pegulas like Whaley, as even though he is a terrible PR guy, they think he knows football and are giving him the keys to the car on a coach. Decision on TT will be based on new coach and what options they have-- not deciding now. Now all that may be dysfunction and I don't agree with Pegula on some things, but that is what happened. The BN hyperventilating shows what a dysfunctional news paper it is. Kudos to Mr. Wawrow for giving us some facts!!! Casey

This thread is hilarious. Other than Fergy, I can't even tell who thinks this discussion on dual ownership is real.

No worries. It's just nice to have our suffering recognized. Badge of honor for the fan base given its loyalty.

We top the list of 40 major league cities at USA Today. Can't seem to link the story.

Actually, I think it is a compliment. I think when you fall down/fall, if you get sand in your pants it means you whine and complain about your misfortune--sand gets in your pants lying on the ground moaning and complaining. Lacking sand in your pants therefore means the guy is tough, and gets up and fights back under duress. But that's just a guess/