Casey D

Yes it was!!!!!!!!!!

LMAOROF!!!

Obviously. Get a GM job and you can execute that plan. Not saying you are wrong, but you are not obviously right either.

It is simply using the old adage that one in the hand is worth two in the bush. You've got a great one here-- you prefer the unknown two in the bush. You don't know your outcome would be better, just your hunch. Exactly.

Only if you turn them into something. The assumption that the 1st round pick in 2015 would have been something special is kind of amusing given the history of Bills first round picks and the criticism of the current front office.

Excellent post! I love this draft 20/20 hindsight-- the false dichotomy that at the time it was take Beckham or move up for Sammy. Right or wrong they had Watkins #1 on their board. By all accounts it would have been Ebron, not Beckham at 9. At least we got a great player, as you say. If the price was high, so be it. At least he seems to be a great player, and in the long run that is all that matters.

Only if it is on Sunday-- they call it Sunday Ticket for a reason...

Apparently you can win without a franchise or great QB?

You suggested that the Bills should have 8 wins, only coaching was preventing that outcome. The Pats and Cardinals are the only teams with 8 or more wins, so you are saying the talent on the Bills makes them a top 3 team in the NFL but for coaching. You are right, I do not agree. And I never said the Bills were a good team, I have argued that they may not be as bad as many here think. I want to see the last six games to decide the coaches fate, I have not seen enough evidence to make me as sure as you. Partly because our views of the talent on this team are quite different, particularly on the offensive side of the ball.

Whatever dude. You win. The Bills have overwhelming talent that is waiting to be unleashed once we rid ourselves of the worst coaching staff ever.

You are just too subtle I guess...

If you think it is ridiculous, fine. But it is a very standard way of analyzing things in sports, e.g. horse racing. And you can say the season is nothing new, but there are six games left and I believe the team still has an opportunity to show if progress is being made or if it is the same old same old. The next two weeks will tell me alot. If they fold, then my conclusion will be the same as yours. They get off the mat and win the next two, I'm willing to reserve judgment until the end of the season. That's just a fact, no optimism required.

We are not right in the thick of it. It would take three straight wins to make me think that. Highly unlikely.

I totally agree on the last point. If they finish 6-10 or 7-9, I think I end up, reluctantly, in the blowing it up camp. They need to show me they can take the punches from these past two games and get up off the floor. If they can't then I don't think Marrone has changed the culture at all. If they do, then I would stay the course.

The problem with your point is that it is just like saying date Kate Upton and you'll have a great sex life. Finding that "great QB" is very very hard to do, and about 20 teams are trying to do it. It is not that the Bills have overlooked it, they have failed to find one like so many other teams. #8 selection Jake Locker from 2011 (2012?) sitting on the bench last night playing behind a rookie 6th round pick. If the Bills wait until they have a "great QB" to make the playoffs, it could take forever, and that's assembling the greatest football minds on the planet to identify the next it guy. A decent QB is all you can ask for, while hoping to get lucky and get something more.

No it shows that the situation in the NFL is quite fluid this year, and "things people know" one week become discredited quickly, e.g., the Patriots are done meme in early October. It is not close games played by bad teams, but supposedly superior teams losing to the same teams the Bills played well against consistently that evidences that the Bills may be close to breaking through next year. I don't know why it always has to be there are "realists" and "Kool-Aid" drinkers. I'm neither. A moderate I suppose. Just trying to figure out the best way forward. Blowing things up has a high price too, a guaranteed 1-2 years of more mediocrity in all likelihood while a new system takes hold. Then we throw it all out again. I just want to believe that blowing it all up is the only choice before doing it. And it should be done after sober and careful analysis, not because we are pi*sed at some losses.

That's funny-- "brutal realism." I agree with the brutal part. What makes the great great is talent, hard work, and a deep seated hatred of losing, not brutality. If the pain of losing is intolerable, you will strive as hard as you can to avoid the pain. It's really quite simple.

OK. so you believe it. It's like A Few Good Men. "I object. Overruled. I strenuously object." Repeating the same thing does not make it any more persuasive. Period.

Not at all. You have lots of assumptions in your views. I really don't know that the talent on this team is so great that we are losing to teams we have "no business losing to." Like who-- New England, San Diego, splitting with the Fins, KC? The defense is overall quite good, but melts down at times in key spots. The offense is below average in terms of talent overall on the line and QB. Watkins is a very good receiver, but the rest seem mediocre. Running back... average. Maybe you are right that all these guys at these positions would be better with different coaches. At this point that is unknowable-- at least based on my ability to evaluate the situation. That's why I think the idea of an outside evaluator coming in and determining where the fault primarily lies is a great idea. If I was Pegula, I would find someone who is smart and skilled and I could trust to provide me with expert eyes, and go from there. I don't think the team is all that far away, and I'd like to know where to make the right changes-- not change for change's sake-- to improve the team as much as possible for next year. Bang for the buck and all that.

And they won games late against Chicago, Minnesota and Detroit. You can't say we lost 3 games we "should have" won and ignore the 3 games we "should have" lost and call yourself a realist. Realism is the word people use when they are angry, and the substance of your comments show that. That's OK, but those who don't agree with you are not being unrealistic simply because you label yourself a realist.

I don't know the answer to the QB question. I can't imagine the team is thrilled with the current QB options. But it is simply BS to say, let's get our franchise guy and roll with it. No one seems to know who will be a franchise guy and who won't. That is the case for literally every team. That's the effing problem. And there is no solution, unless you just get flat out lucky like Indy-- twice! Perhaps a couple of guards and one kickass OC will do the trick. Easier said than done, but easier than picking up the franchise QB on your next visit to Wegman's. And for this year at least, the new mediocre in the AFC is 6-4. We are atrocious in comparison at a lowly 5-5...

No question-- they defy the point of the salary cap every bit as much as the Patriots. Makes me want to puke.

I went to far with that. Just seeing Denver, Cleveland and Indy obliterated yesterday just made me realize just how unpredictable the NFL is week to week, and strange things happen. That's fair. I think Marrone has brought the team into the 21st century in terms of attitude and discipline, and it has been a welcome change. I give him another year to see if he can do the rest of the job necessary. As to OC, I do know the offense is not good. What aspects of the QB, OC and line issues are the true problem is impossible for me to know. I'm guessing it is a little of all three. If Hackett had a quality QB, the O might be fine. If we had a great line the O might be fine. If we had a world class OC, Orton/manuel might be fine. I don't know. I think Pegula needs someone a lot more skilled and knowledgable to evaluate and come up with an evaluation. I do know that improving the line and finding a better OC is a lot easier than finding a great QB.

Why do you make straw man arguments like that? I did not say mediocre is great. But to move forward you have to honestly assess where you are and figure out the best path forward. To me, this team is much better than the past 3-5 years, not good enough but better. i understand and feel the current unhappiness after the last two games, but I'd like to reach happiness. I just don't think "blowing it all up" yet again is the right answer. Staying the course and tweaking some things may be the better approach. I don't have optimism, I'm simply trying to discern the difference between reality and pessimism. The Bills should have beat a very good KC team, and about 6 things had to go wrong for them to lose at the end and they did. Unfortunate, absolutely. The team flat out stinks, not so much. Same with the Dolphins, leading 9-3 with 20 minutes to play. Tough loss, yes. Losing on the road to a solid team on a short week means the team stinks, not so much. I am trying to think this through like the Pegulas will have to do. Anger and hysteria are not great foundations for improving any organization, IMO.

Cool. It is just that we think so many other teams are all that great, when they are not. I watch lots of supposedly good teams yesterday do the same stupid things that people here seem to think is the exclusive domain of the Bills. Every team that beat the Bills are .500 or better. It's not like the losses-- with the possible exception of Houston-- were bad teams. And wins against Detroit and Miami were quite good. And the Bills are in all the games, which is a far cry from 2 or 3 years ago when the games were over after one quarter. Another knee-jerk post. And not even true.