Bill from NYC

How much was his fault?

Ya know, I think I saw the same sentiments expressed by a poster or two on this board. Yes, I think that for EJ to have any chance at all of being a good quarterback, he is going to have to run the ball. He has proven to be inaccurate so far at virtually every distance. He needs more defenders to be bunched up on the line in order for his receivers to get wide open, to the point that maybe he could complete passes to them. Jmo.

Well if Brandon gets canned and finds another job it's all good.

I will. He was drafted at # freaking 9!!!!!!! And no, it was not the greatest draft, but there were many players there who would have helped the Bills more than a small gadget player at #9. CJ would have been a decent pick if he went in round 3 or 4. http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2010

You left out: Gadget player Absolutely horrible blocker Inconsistent Terrible waste of a top 10 draft selection

I wish that he was under contract for next season. It would be cool to maybe pick up a 6th or 7th round pick for him in a trade.

KTD, I just got in and have not been through this thread yet. How do you feel about us getting Rex? For the record (not that any of us should care lol), I am literally thrilled. I think that Rex will fit into Buffalo like hand in glove (no pun intended). GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How to be LAST inside the 2 minute drill before the half in points scored.

Some great RBs there. Spiller is a turkey.

Yes, and Ryan Leif had a great arm.

I understand what you are saying Coach Marrone. BUT, you were dead last in scoring inside the halftime deuce, and you truly did botch things on the OL which was supposed to be your area of expertise. That said, I for one appreciated the way you stood up to your dumb bosses. It's going to be tough for you to get a job. You are not a true offensive mind and you might not even be hired as an OL coach due to your lousy results with the Bills. Then again with 4 mil. in ones pocket, who really does need a job? If you do feel like working, I suggest that you apply to some second rate colleges. Your record suggests that you will raise their level of play to mediocre. Be well Coach.

I agree, (or so it seems). If Rex thinks that EJ completely sucks (not the worst evaluation ever mind you), what SHOULD he do? In Atlanta Matt Ryan is very good, and Rex is more than capable of building a defense, no? I have a feeling that many on this great board are going to spend the offseason pretending that EJ Manuel does not suck.

This is one way to look at the situation. Another is that EJ is inaccurate at virtually every distance. He clearly has a hard time seeing receivers and has even been very disappointing when he runs, something he did well in college. When Rob Johnson came to the Bills, I was taken by his height, perfect spirals, powerful arm and ability to run. When he sucked, I would blame the OL (which was horrid no doubt), coaches, etc. My point is that many qbs have every tool and cannot play. You might see things in EJ that I do not and I hope that you are correct. However, going with EJ in 2014 would have been a huge risk. It would also be quite the gamble in 2015. In terms of your post I ask you this: How many opposing defenses looked forward to playing against EJ Manuel?

But Dave, this can be good or bad. There is NO indication that Manuel is a good quarterback. Let's remember, they traded DOWN and took him. If they really thought he would be a top flight QB they would have taken him early, no? Seriously, what normal team would risk losing a good quarterback to pick up an extra 2nd round pick? And as I recall they even gave up an earlier pick in the late rounds with a swap in that trade. Pat Kirwin recently said that running qbs in college who cannot run in the NFL are thrown to the curb, and he sited EJ as an example. I am on record from day 1 as not liking Marrone getting hired. But imo the best thing he ever did was bench Manuel. At least we got to see the Bills win 9 games. Do you think that EJ is, or ever will be a top shelf quarterback? Do you think he will even be mid-range ala Dalton?

The thing is Yolo, Urbik, Williams and Spiller are not very good players. Woods and Sammy did well with bargain basement qbs. Assuming we get someone else in, it will get better. Seriously, how much worse can it get than Manuel and Orton?

Do I? I didn't want to come off that way. I am hopeful that the Pegulas will be able to make moves that will bring the Buffalo Bills into the playoffs. I just think that to do so they will have to make some real changes. But, I view it as possible.

No, nor did I comment about it Promo. And thanks for the info. It makes Brandon look even more idiotic. I liken Brandon to a barker at a circus or carnival. The Pegulas paid 1.4 bil. to own this team. Certainly they can do better than this. That said, I am not trying to convince you to dislike what Brandon has done to this football team. Moreover, I enjoy your posts. If we agreed on everything this board would suck, rather than be the best place on the web to discuss the Buffalo Bills Football Team with those who have an informed, sincere opinion.

OK, but I was close

First of all, thank you very much. The thing that strikes me about Cutler is that he was on a team with (imo) a Gailey type head coach. More of an intellectual than a head coach. And, his best receiver is a self professed sufferer of Borderline Personality Disorder. NOT GOOD. And the TE is crazy too. You know, we did make the trade for Watkins. It's a done deal. Imo, Cutler could hit him with 70 yard fly patterns but who really knows?

Some of my comments will be repetitive in terms of my opinions over the years. If this bothers anyone, do feel free to ignore. In any event..... 1) Did you see the difference today between Luck and Dalton? It was clearly monumental. That said, Dalton is WAY better than Orton. Imo not even in the same league. This says a lot in terms of the Bills. Orton and EJ suck. Period. Yet, the team went 9-7. 2) Brandon needs to be fired. He is to be held responsible for hiring a sub-par coach to a contract which will cost the Pegulas 4 million or so. I saw a stat today.....The Bills were LAST in terms of scoring points inside the 2 minute warning before the half. I talked about this with BADOLBEELZ during the season. There is no excuse for this. Marrone is nothing but a Brandon crony. He is mediocre at best and I am glad to see him gone. "Obviously." 3) This will piss people off, but Fred Jackson, however loveable, is probably done. It hurts to say this but it's true. TJ Yeldon is a young Fred Jackson. They even look alike in terms of size, moves, and ability to catch and block. And he is 2 steps faster. I HATE wasting picks on running backs, but I have seen every game Yeldon has played. He would be a HUGE asset to the Buffalo Bills Football Team. 4) Whaley, imo, gets his ass kissed on this board. I am not a Whaley hater, but I am not as in love with the guy as are many here. It truly pisses me off that we don't have a first round pick this year. I think the trade to take Watkins was ill advised. That said, Watkins is great imo, so I am unsure about how to judge Mr. Whaley. Bottom line is that we have a potentially great wide receiver with no QB. I think that this makes little sense but it CAN work I suppose. 5) John C, take note. Gilmore, at the end of the season, looked good. I am NOT, nor ever will be about top ten picks being used on corners, but imo Gilmore came a long way. 6) The Bills need to offer Hughes 50 million for 5 years and see what he says. He isn't a great player, but he is talented and imo smart. And of course he provides pass rush. 7) Keep Searcy!!!!! 8) John C, take note again.....CJ Spiller sucks. Against the Raiders, he missed two blocks on one play. He is virtually worthless. It's time to cut the chord my friend. He is an nexpensive bag of S%&t. 9) Rex Ryan went to the playoffs with a qb who sucks. On the worst day of his nlife he was a better coach than Marrone. I would be more than OK with Rex. 10 We desperately need guards. If Levitre really does get cut and is healthy, we should absolutely sign him. He was our best guard since Ruben Brown and I suspect that he has been playing hurt. We also need to draft one, perhaps 2. 11) If all you got to live for, is what you left behind, get yourself a powder charge and seal that silver mine. I lost my boots in transit babe, A pile of smoking leather. Nailed a retread to my feet and prayed for better weather. 12) QB? I would take Cutler (at the right cost) and/or Mallett, AND a draft pick. 13) God bless you all, and GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Badol, Saban will always be on the top of my list. In fact, on Tuesday the feature sports article of the NY Post was a call for the Jets to sign Saban, give him full control and all the money he wants. Rex would be my next choice, then Malzahn.

Have you seen Leon Brown? He was a Junior College transfer in 2013 and played OT. Now he line up at RG for the Tide, and although a senior, this was his first year as a starter. Early in the season, he had some very untimely penalties (most of them for motion) and it drove Saban nuts to the point that he pulled him a couple of times. Now, he is a complete beast but he is certainly more of a mauler than a finesse blocker. Brown and Austin Sheppard could conceivably fall into later rounds.

Badol, wrt Richardson, I will always be a tad suspicious of HUGE blockers coming out of college. Mike Williams (chronic ankle injury and all) was drafted so early because he was able to beat the crap out of his college opponents. He was twice as strong as them but it doesn't work this way in the NFL. Richardson probably enjoyed some of this. Kuondjio was simply a bad pick. I was shocked by that selection.He was hurt and not especially good. Btw please tell me.....is Cam Robinson already the best LT in the NCAA? From where I sit the kid looks literally great.

>>>>>I have no complaints on Watkins. No offensive line. No running game. No QB. Worst offensive coordinator in football (or bottom 3) and still had a stellar season. If you don't like what you saw from Watkins, you need a new TV.<<<<< I hated the trade. Despised it, but there Is zero doubt that the kid is great and will get better if he stays healthy. But what do we do at qb? Cutler? Mallett? Got any ideas?