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The last one, Choice wasn't expecting the throw and could not react even though Fitz looked at him a full 2 seconds before throwing it.

Okay guys, we know CJ is down and so is FJax. But lift yourselves up. No reason to sulk and go into a swoon. Still have the good OL, other weapons

These refs are pi$$ing me off

Dude was playing in his 18th NFL game. He had a poor outing. Big deal, really. The first test will be how he bounces back from this debacle against a talented D. The next tests will be how he handles himself and his game if his stats and performance don't live up to the hype following a very good freshman outing. Lets hope he doesn't go all Vince Young on his coach and team as he is a bright star in the NFL today and will make the league fun. Lets give him this season before declaring him a bust or a head case, shall we ?

Unless his recovery from injury goes badly, he will be on the roster next year no matter who or how many we draft/acquire for the WR position. He is a gamer, excellent hands and good attitude.

I sense another Manning INT

This should end the game.

D struggle to start the second half. Ryan is playing pretty well and its Broncos' D that is even keeping it as close as it is.

Looks like NHL on turf

Anyone watching? Three INTs by Manning so far. Denver's D has managed to contain the damage

Or we can thank them for influencing non savvy teams to allow Glenn to fall to us in the second. If indeed Glenn turns out to be a dominant LT, he will be a steal even at the top of the second round.

I think Bill is too classy for that. CJ played a heck of a game yet again. I was one if his doubters but no more. The guy has that elusive quality and big play ability that we sorely need. McK on the other hand had a great return which showcased his athletic ability of which there was rarely any doubt. But, he was drafted high to primarily be a CB. In his fifth and contract year, he continues to underwhelm us in that role. As valuable as todays TD was, I would have rather him having panned out as a shutdown corner.

I am wondering the same thing esp considering out LB'ers are young and inexperienced (Shep, Moats). Also, is Tarvaris still not 'ready' ? Glad to see TJ is active. Hope he plays and provides a much needed dimension to the passing game.

QB T. Jackson, RB F. Jackson, DB D. Howell, DE K. Moore, LB K. Morrison, OL S. Young, OL C. Brown.

Talent, experienced DC and decent play by the maligned LBs makes me give this group a.pass for this and a couple of more games to get their act together. I really feel they cannot play any worse. Tell the damn O to stop giving them a short field to defend so often.

My memory is better than the evidence you present. It was a forward pass and we were robbed.

Simon stated in a thread that Buddy Nix wanted VY. There was not much support for him in the FO but others went along with Nix as he is the big man.

Unless it is cross-eyed Mary

If Scott was never born, we wouldn't have this awesome website to vent our frustrations and seek dating advice. Happy birthday, SDS !

Should I suggest banning you for a week because you are not too emotionally invested in the team ? My point is that everybody takes it differently and railing on those who take it worse than others is kinda silly. I am frustrated as I feel apathy coming on earlier and earlier as the seasons go by - with Jauron, it would be typically be by game 6-8, last year it took longer but this year has the makings of an early disaster. In other news - you are a reasonable poster so don't take this as a call to arms.

Are you expecting the passionate fan base to shrug off this loss and not feel emotional about it ? The rest of my life is perfectly happy but the Bills OTOH make me want to shout (with despair).

Why is it 'end of discussion' ?

But I see the non-QB picks that we have and don't see a resounding success either save for a Dareus or Spiller. My point being that even though I don't have the data analysis of LiterateStylish, I can bet that you can apply the success rate you quoted to pretty much any position in the NFL and come up with a justification to not draft that position. Hassle is, QBs are few and good ones even less so. At the time the pick is to be made, there were atleast 2-3 choices over the past three drafts which could have been deemed risks worth taking (I am not talking about the first round). Let me turn this argument around - should we ignore the QB position in the next draft also worried that the one we pick may bomb out ? How long does this last ? In the last draft itself I was screaming to take a QB so that he can sit behind Fitz and be ready when the rest of the team is ready to contend. But here we are in year 3 of the 'show me the baby' regime with no confidence that the stud surrogate father is fertile or has been shooting blanks. Even if we get a QB next draft, we will wait a year or two for him to develop. Bad strategy and quite depressing if you think about it. What has Fitz shown in the past 2+ years that gives anyone the warm fuzzy that he will not tank in a big game and throw away a roster full of talent (on D, OL, DL and RB)? This is not over-reaction. This is the cumulative effect of this one game past Sunday piled upon a sucky last year. Sorry to go all BillsVet on you.

What reality would that be ? The reality that several teams in the past 3 years (just this regime), drafted QBs while we have this slavish and OCD-level adherence to BPA ?

We agree many times but this time I have to (slightly) disagree. Over three successive drafts, pretty much any team that needs a QB figures out a way to get one. We have for one reason or the other pointedly avoided doing so. I am not arguing in favor of the ones we were not in a position to draft (Newton,Luck, RGIII) but I do wonder how it is that each of the ones that were available to us in the lower rounds are not upgrades to Fitz ? I am not stuck on needing a 'franchise' QB, but I do want at least a competent, reliable, no frills/no boo-boo QB to lead this team. I am not so sure that one or more of the others you list is not that guy. Also, Gailey is known to develop QBs. He may have done a better job of these prospects. I frankly think Gailey is at his wits end w.r.t Fitz and his leash is getting shorter and shorter. IMHO, while Fitz is not as bad as he looked last Sunday, he has consistently underperformed and made cringe-inducing errors that cost us games (Giants game last year, the three INTs this Sunday). His problems are beyond what coach Lee can fix. I was happy imagining him to be a mid-tier QB but continually he is proving me otherwise. I had similarly given up on Losman and Edwards several games before they were ditched by the Bills. I am reaching that point fairly rapidly. I was told the rib injury and injuries to others on O hampered Fitz in the second half of last season. While I somewaht agree, the start of this season is trending to point us otherwise.