C.Biscuit97

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I generally agree but he did screw over the Bills. He got suspended and was still doing stuff while suspended that weren’t exactly legal. So if forced the Bills to traded up for not great value. that said, he did seem to grow up a bit and had a great career. I heard he also saved a ton of money so good on him. He says it was because some bars didn’t have Hennessy.

I wasn’t really comparing the two but it was just funny that he was laughing at Jackson. But to answer, before the draft, I had them tied. I liked both of their physical skills but I worried about their passing ability for different reasons. I lean towards Allen because he has the strong arm. But at this point, they are closer than most Bills fans think.

They averaged more points in Jackson starts than we did in Allen starts, 24 to 17.5. Glass houses. And Tucker is awesome. Always try to draft him in fantasy.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00/gamelog/post/ https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00/gamelog/post/ marino was better than Kelly in the postseason. Kelly had the better team. It’s the same thing with Aaron Rodgers. He’s been better in the postseason than Brady but Brady has the better team. As important as QB is, it’s hard for them to single handedly win playoff games.

I was more of the Bills in the 90s but I think I know enough about Marino’s career. I think it was more a problem if the lack of talent around him and the fact the Bills were in their division. I think Marino single handedly carried that team. Put it this way, if Allen comes close to Mahomes’ year, would you have any questions about him? ?

Anyone from this group Harry Butler Oliver and a number 1 type TE

I’m was in my all time homer phase and I was at a draft party. Everyone was just like WTF and I dropped he had a great first step ?. Either way, he made a bunch of money in football and seems to be a good guy. Good for him, bad for us.

Yup. We have a bunch of 2,3,4 receivers. We need a number 1 at both receiver and TE. I could get behind Hock and/ or Butler/ Harry in the 2nd round. We aren’t good enough in the passing game yet.

I mean I hope you’re right but I don’t know anyone can question Mahomes’ intangibles. Dude was a star the second he stepped on the field and never looks rattled. He lost a game where he scored 50 points!

I will say I wasn’t on the Wilson train (not that I wanted TJ Graham). But I will say that was before the smaller qb trend. But looking back at his college numbers and his personality (he seems like a weirdo now), he might have been the number 1 pick in the draft. I will say, if a qb you have a high grade on falls to later rounds, you might want to grab them.

Yeah, it’s Mahomes’ fault. Not the 2nd worst defense in the nfl or Dee Ford’s. It’s the 2nd year qb who went back and forth with the best qb ever fault’s. Anyone who puts puts that loss on Mahomes is insane.

Imo, Brown is a much better player. Austin was a gadget player. Brown seems like a legit receiver. But it makes me nervous taking a guy with that size that high. His best bet is to go to a team with a good sized number 1.

Huh? I went to the GB game where they beat Aaron Rodgers without scoring an offensive td. They broke Peyton Manning touchdown streak when he was still a beast. That defense was dominant. Yeah, Mahomes only had 3 tds and scored 31 points in the championship game. Bum! I know this is blasphemous but what if we had Marino instead of Kelly? Those Bills team were much more loaded than the Fins. The Fins kinda sucked minus Marino. Kelly was a bad postseason Qb but his team was so good it didn’t really matter until the SB. 21 tds, 28 ints https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00/gamelog/post/

Agreed about the dialogue. ? we both have been here for a long time and just want to root for a consistently good team. But to counter: 1) it’s funny that you knew me as a homer because a lot of new posters think I’m a “hater.” I think over the years, blindly defending this team I love has taken its toll on me. I just can’t pretend anymore. I didn’t like Allen as a qb for us so I can’t pretend I love him just because the Bills drafted him. I hope he becomes good but I’ve been burned so many times. 2) I stand by the Jauron thing. Look bad at those rosters. It’s amazing we got 7 wins some years. I think the majority of coaches are basically average. So if Jauron had a real franchise qb, he would have been fine. I feel McDermott has a lot of Jauron in him. That said, like most coaches, if Allen is a franchise guy, he will magically become a better coach. 3) never said Whaley was a great GM. But that 2015 team has as much talent as any Bills team since the Bledsoe years. And how do we know what jobs he has gotten? How do we know he isn’t making more at his current XFL job than a step back nfl one? Whaley gets a bad rap here just like Tim Murray did with the Sabres. 4) I agree Whaley did take some big risks. But has this regime really learned from this? MCBeane has traded up 3 times in the draft when arguably better players were available when they picked (time will tell). They also traded multiple picks for Benjamin, who was a fat slob in Carolina when they were there. 5) Ralph was forced by TD’s crappiness to hire someone he trusted in Marv. It was a crazy decision but people seem to forget he drafted 2 players that will get HOF consideration (they won’t get in) in Lynch and Kyle Williams. That’s a good haul. Sorry for the long post. I just simply believe Whaley was a solid GM who had coaches forced on him. I feel McBeane really haven’t proven anything yet and they get a pass for everything because they are new. I want them to succeed but I like being consistent. And as difficult as we make this, if Allen turns into a franchise qb, this regime will be successful. If not, we will have Beane is an idiot posts in a couple of years.

I feel like this is one of those stupid political things where you trash the candidate you like and make excuses for one you like. Imagine if Whaley; - got hired after his friend got the head coaching job - passed on Mahomes and Watson to draft a cb - traded up for Zay Jones instead of staying put and taking JuJu or Kupp - hired an OC that put Tyrod in a west coast passing offense - traded multiple picks for Kelvin Benjamin after seeing how fat he was up close in Carolina - thought Jordan Matthews could be a number 1 receiver - entered the season with Allen and Peterman as his qbs - signed Mike Tolbert but since we like Beane we just ignore it. Whaley was a much better GM than you will ever give him credit for.

Yeah, homers don’t like the truth.

Under Whaley, we had a top 10 scoring offense and a top 5 defense. But I’m sure he deserves none of that credit.

Trading up for Zay Jones instead of staying put and just taking JuJu or Cooper Kupp. and for EJ, we traded down, got a pick that turned into Kiko, who after one of the best rookie years ever was traded for McCoy. Also, career qb ratings: Derek Anderson 70.4 Matt Barkley 68.3 Josh Allen 67.9 worst qb ever EJ Manuel 77.1 Yet if this regime did it, they would be praised for going all out for their qb because we like them right now. We traded up for Zay Jones. Sammy is 10 times the player Zay is.

I always thought the Raiders were morons for giving up a 5th for AJ instead of just keeping EJ. But I remember watching the Ravens opener in Miami under a hurricane watch and just hating life. But the pick is ok now. Only delusional fans thought AJ was a good starter. But most agreed that Allen shouldn’t start right away. To go with allen and Peterman as your only 2 QBs was embarrassing.

I heard he brings his lunch pail every day. I like him and he was much more productive than Gray. It depends where he goes but I can certainly see him being a productive number 2 type pass rusher.

Good call. Forgot about that. They won’t draft him.

For the time he played, Moulds had much better numbers. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/eric-moulds-1.html and the Canadian ballet was so happy with that draft pick! I also think this about Lee Evans and Sammy (injuries were huge). Those guys might not have been HOFers but they would have been much better somewhere else. It just shows how dependent of a position receiver is. the worst part about the Miami playoff game was how it ended. But Moulds and Flutie were amazing that game.

But wasn’t it more because of his physical attributes? He had 39 catches last year. He was having a better season this year but broke his neck. I’m not totally against him but there are a ton of red flags.

Maybe we shouldn’t have signed another 30 year rb. ?. But I understand this was done for other reasons.