Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Say what you want about Belichik, but he is technically the best coach in the league. Yes he cheated and his legacy will be tainted for it, but he likely could just as easily have won without the cheating. He can figure out teams and players strengths and weaknesses better than anyone I've ever seen. The things he can get out of a team are amazing. 400 yards for Matt Cassell?? Radny Moss has been content for the most part.

And then what? So he'll get to go to another team as a free agent, and TE lost 8 games to possibly learn in. No matter what happens the end of this year, JP will be gone even if the Bills wanted him to come back as I'd say I'm about 95% certain, he'd never re-sign with the Bills regardless of what was offered. I will give him the utmost repsect for taking the high road and minimuly complaining for all he was jerked around. Even this season, he could have demanded a trade and/or forced the Bills to cut him as many athletes do. But he said fine, if you can't trade me, I'll honor the contract. For that he does deserve praise. and I wish him luck, but I aslo seriously doubt he will ever becoem a consistent starter. IMO he may come in a look good for a couple of games until teams adjust to him, then will be back to the old JP again, just wearing a different jersey. TE certainly looked terrible in the NE game. In the Jet's game his turnover resulted in 10 points for the Jets which take those 10 points away, the Bills are leading. Certainly without the points and if the Jets are behind, they'd be playing the end of the game differenly and may have still won, or maybe not, who knows. So if you want to blame TE for the turnover and the 10 points, that's fine, but then you also need to give him credit for the ten other points he did get in that game as he pretty much singlehandly was their entire offense. Special teams did nothing and excluding the one Int returned for the TD, there were no sacks that generated good field position, no running game, no other turnovers. TE did keep the chains moving, kept the defense rested, and moved the ball. While I wouldn't say he played well, I won't blame him for the lose either as he was their entire offense and that's alot to ask of a second year player.

Well now that you see the results, this poll is meaningless! For JP and TE to be the top vote getters, it just shows that the people who suck both of them off evey night also know their stats by heart as they got the most votes. Both got take every opportunity you can to prove you're right!!

Thats risky though after only seeing 8 games. Anderson looked great last year too, now look at him. Many people would make the same argument about TE right now too. Looking at one year of stats are OK if you know the person as sandwiched a couple other similar years around it, then they mean something.

And how do you know his throwing mechanics are off?? So it appears you know more than the Bills front office as obviously they never would have taken a QB with bad mechanics. Believe me, if you knew half as much as you think you know about football, you wouldn't be in this chat room, you'd be working for some team as a coach. It amazes me how many people here think they really know anything. All we are are a bunch of people with limited knowledge of the game but unfortunately chat rooms make everyone think they are much smarter than they really are. If I had a nickel for everyone who thinks they are smart, but really no little of anything, I'd be able to retire tomorrow. Coordinators figuring him out, yes certainly true. So TE has to step up to next level. Will it happen overnight, not likely, may take a season or more. Will it happen? Again no one know the answer for certain. He certainly advanced quickly to the point he's at, will he get to the next level, hopefully, but you never know. As I've said many times, calling him or any QB in the league a failure makes you look smart as there are many more failures than sucesses. Until they fix the line and re-establish a run game, he will get worse. There's no way you can expect a second year player to carry the entire offense on his shoulders, partically a limited offense.

While they played a weaker NFC conf, no one expected NY and Miami to improve as quickly whom they get to play twice so that about balances out playing the weaker NFC division. They also played a tougher AFC division last year in the north vs the west this year. They did get much better production last year from their draft picks than this year. Injuries have hurt this year about as muc has last year.

Well he could be a great, well respected leader, just not a strong player. Ouside the locker room, no one know the answer. you don't have ot be the best or one of the best players to be a captain. If you look at high performing players often they fail as coaches as they expect similar performance from others and they can't relate to lower level players. I realize being a captain is different, but not that different that it doesn't still apply here.

Minn probably would be a decent fit for him. Actually Ferotte wouldn't bea terrible #2 guy here either though he is getting a bit long in the tooth. But first off you need to give TE plenty of time to see if he is the real deal or not. while many people on this board think they know the answer to that, in reality no one on this board does know, because if they truely did, they'd be working for some NFL team as a coach. and it's real easy to say "I can see it, I know these things" as more often than not in hind sight, you'll be right as most QB's do fail. I wonder if Vegas takes bets on QB's being a sucess or failure. If they did, I'd bet every QB in the leauge will fail and I'm certain I'd come out ahead on al lthe bets combined.

Wasn't TE the guy playing QB for those 5 wins?? So now you want to start making changes. you already stated he's ruined the season, so then you may as well leave TE in, no sence ruining a good thing!

Basee o nthe shortage of QB's i nthe NFL you may be right. But once he plays maybe 10 games or so, he likely will look the same. Masybe if he were to sign wit ha really great tema and is asked to do very little, he may look better.

I thought JP played very well for a backup agaisnt Az. But he also showed no improvement and no reason to expect improvment. The Bills didn't lose because of JP, but he did show he's still the same JP

You're right, in TE's 2nd year, he doesn't look any better than JP did after 4 years! I argued in 2005 and 2005 that JP, nmeeded more time to develop and I'll make the same argument now for TE. The problem with JP was he never did improve. You could be right about TE, odds are in your favor as there are way more flops at QB than successes. But he needs more than 2 seasons to answer that.

I agree he probably does have more physical talent, but that hardly makes a good GB. JP likely has more physical talent than Tom Brady too. More heart, no one knows the answer to that one including you! You compare 2006 because in your mind there is something magical about them being the same age so that means something. What relavance that has, I have no idea other than it means he must have joined the Bills at an earlier age than TE. What was JP's second year compared to this year? 8 TD's /8 int played 9 games. The problem with JP is he wasn't improving. Last year prior to him getting hurt he had 97 yards and 154 yards in two games 0 TD, 1 int 6 sacks. I don't recall alot about early last seaosn, but I think by the second game people we calling for JP to be benched. And BTW this is coming from a JP supporter. I'll make the same argument for him as I make now for TE, you need to give the person time. The problem with JP was time didn't help him get better. You could be right about TE, odds are in your favor as there are way more flops at QB than successes. But he needs more than 2 seasons to answer that. Not counting his rookie year JP had three years and showed nothing.. Granted he was jerked around, but there was a reason for it, he was playing terrible. If he were getting 200 yards per game, even meathead wouldn't have yanked him. In the last 2 games he started in early 2005 before getting yanked, he threw for 75 yards in each game and had a rating in the low 30's. So tell me which of TE's games have been anywhere near that poor? In one game that year he had more than 200 yards and that was in the Miami game where he had the three TD's to Evans. Other than that, nothing and he started the 2007 series looking about the same. He had one terrific game last year angaisnt Cinny, then looked terrible again afterwards. You compare him to Eli in 2006, well Eli did have a very good 2007 where as JP again was terrible in the 9 games he did play. Finally what possible good could be gained from giving JP "one last shot" as you suggest? What if he lights it up for the rest of the year? That would be great for him as he'd likely get a decent contract as a free agent, but do you honestly believe he's sign with the Bills after all that's happened? So if he playes great the next two games, do you offer him a 5 year contract then, because you know if he plays out the contract, he's gone. Would you give him a big contract after seeing him play two games as that would likely be the only chance you'd have of signing him and even then I think JP would say no, I'll take my chances playing out the year.

I'll be the cheerleader head trainer. Somebody has to do the dirtywork around here!

That looks like my neighbor! Just kidding as most of the people on my street are all from up north. The rednecks are getting out numbered down here.

Well I live down in NC, so won't take me long to find a few. To give you an idea of things, most states have laws outlawing riding in the back of pick up's. Down here the law limits how many can ride in the back of the pick up. The good news is the sun shines almost every day and when the game got really crappy yesterday, I went and sat out on my porch for awhile until the sun botherd me too much.

While I agree the Pats game was terrible for TE, but as mentioned he had 280 yards agaisnt the Jets and kept moving the ball. Yes he gave up 10 points on turnovers, but who else did anything in that game offensively?? There was no running game. While his turnovers created 10 points for the Jet's I really can't blame him for that loss as there was no one else doing anything, which also was true yesterday. Remove all his positive yards fro mthe Jet's game and what's left, nothing! Having said that his two int. yesterday were very poor throws. One comments I will make, while I have trouble believing this really could be the difference, this team went down the toilet about the same time as Brad Butler got hurt at guard. Is he the person who kept the line and offense looking good??

It wouldn't have made any difference if Tom Brady was the backup. (Well maybe that would have changed things a bit ) TE is the starter and in spite of everything being said, he is still young. You do want him to play through his slumps and learn from it. As bad as the game went and TE played, the Bills were still only 10 points behind until the last two minutes. You typically only see the QB pulled when the margin gets to be larger than maybe 30 points or so. So I really doubt it has anythring to do with their confidence or lack there of in JP. No matter who was on the bench as a backup, you wouldn't have brought him in in a game where the starter is only behind by 10 points. I also think the problems with the Bills go beyond TE. Did they bench all the lineman as they also could use a benching.

In the last two minutes, it must come from the booth. You couldn't hear what the ref said, but there was one view, kind of from behind NE end, where I think what happened was they ruled a Bills' player first touched it, then it hit Ted B, bounced around and Bill's recovered. However the first touch was by a Bill's player less than 10 yards downfield, therefore illegal touch by Buffalo. On one of the replays it looked like a Buffalo player stuck his arm out, but you never say that angle again on the replay. My guess is that's what the refs stated happened.

Well to say start over, you're keeping 22 players which is half the team and about half the starters. All you're really recoomending is replace the positions that everyone has been saying are weak, offensive interior line, def end and outside LB. Not much of a change there. Most teams change 5 -10 players per year anyway. All you're really stating is get rid of the coaches, and very unlikely a new coach would keep the offensive coordinator anyway. However if you're going to bring in new coaches likely they will want differnet players, so you may as wel lget rid of the 22 you wanted t okeep too.

I was thinking the vsame. Apparently they ruled he was stopped in the field. That wasa questionable call too.

Defences are getting film on TE so not as easy for him. He needs to mix it more, but hard to do with all the injuries. Put all these things together, and easy for him to look bad real quick.

Well one way to solve this will be, just like Pop Warner, have a weight limit so larger players can't hurt the smaller ones. In all seriousness it is becoming a problem. Players keep getting bigger and faster. QB is one positiuon though that bigger and faster doesn't help much. Couple that with the game being so much faster, QB's need to process everything quicker to the point of it can't be done. That is why there are so few teams with good QB's as no one can mentally keep up with the game. Not rrying to knock JP here, but 20 years ago , he may have been an all pro with his arm and the decision making wasn't as big of an issue as he would have had more time to think.

That could be what caused the "plantar fasciitis"!!

I doubt it will be OL as we need an interior lineman and you usually don't use a #1 pick on inside lineman. So I agree also likely either DE or OLB