Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Yes Mort is right, 50%of the people posting on this board state the same thing. It's OK for use ot say it, but not him as he's an outsider. Its the same as it's OK for you to tell people your sister is ugly, but don't let the neighbor say that. The only time it may work out better is occasionally when a new QB comes to a decent team, then they can develop faster. Ideally the smart thing to do would be have some old re-tread at QB build the team around him, then when you have all the other pieces in place, you dump him and bring in the young stud. Even then, it may take him two years. In a way that's kind of the Bills' problem, they have a decent team just looking at their starters. No team can afford 22 pro bowl caliper players anyway. Out of 22 starting players, there are maybe four I'd like to improve on TE, C, DE and OLB. But once any of the starters get hurt (which they did) there's little depth here. The yare still in that improving mold.

And JP would likely tell the Bills' thanks for letting me play these past four games and showcase my talents. Now that I showed how good I really can play I'll likely get much better offers as a FA. As far as your extention offer goes, you can take that and shove it as after everything that has happened, there's no way I'm sigining it. At that point the season is over, he can't get hurt playing more, so absolutely no reason for him to sign with the Bill's. Why can't people get this. If you're a big fan of JP and want to root for him, you better plan on following some other team next year as he won't be here.

Evens wanted Losman last year. At the point JP was yanked, Evans was still a nobody himself. And are you a doctor? I can't recall a player leaving the sideline of a game unless he's hurt beyond the point of being able to play again. What if JP suddenly got hurt? TE likely would have gone back in as he could still play. From what is being stated now, he may not play next week, so I think this cover up theory is total BS. I'm certain he did have a pulled or strained groin. How bad it was on Sunday, no one exactly knows, but likely was bad enough that was somewhat effecting his play, so they pulled him, but in an emergency, he could have gone back in.

I certainly agree the holdout hurt big time, but what should the Bill's have done different, cut Peter's to prove a point? I really can't blame the Bill's management on either of these as I think they took a rather agressive stand. The only thing you possibly could argue in the Peters case, maybe some free spending team would have given him a new contract last spring so he never would have held out. But the Bill's I think did the right thing in both situations.

I'ts possible the one job Holmgren may give up his year off for is San Fran as I hear that's where he's from. Supposedly he was asked early in the year would you change your "year off" plans for the San Frna job and he didn't say no he wouldn't. Ryan, Singletary, even Garrett; your getting another guy with no or limited experience. No BS is nice, but that only will work so long. Interestingly the Giants finally won when TC mellowed out some. Sad to say, but athletes today won't put up with the no nonsence approach.

Clearly in the NE and Cleve game TE looked real bad. Howwever I really can't blame him for the Jet's and Miami loss as he was the teams entire offense. There was no running game at all. He did move the team up and down the field, was able to get first downs, just no TD's. But with no running game at all hard to blame a 2nd year QB who did have what 280 yards passing.

Mike Williams had better experience as a DC when he was hired by the Bills than Garratt does right now. In fact you probably could make the same arguement for MM too when he was brought in. Garrett may be good, but if so he'd be bucking the odds as more great coordinators look terrible as coaches, particuarly in their first HC opportunities. There have been some first time successes; Cowler, Parsells come to mind, but many more failures. Also seems like these days there are becoming less successes than years back. In the past ten years, what coordinators became good head coaches in their first job?

The problem is any poster on this board would suit up for the Bills next week for free for "The love of the Game". Pro atletes don't have that feeling. Everyone today laughs and jokes on the sideline while down by 20. The only time you see real emotion is when a team gets knocked out of the playoffs. Maybe the difference is today all the way down to Little League, Pop Warner, it's stressed that winning doesn't matter. Many youth leagues don't even keep score anymore. So maybe this is just partly a product of that generation now playing professionally

So who would you suggest instead? (unless you're serious about the advantages of the Bills not being in the playoffs) The bills have two choices, bring in some young no name who does actually have the ability to be a huge sucess in their first go around as a HC. Cowler, Gruden, Parsells are a couple of names that come to mind that succeeded in their fist HC job. But many others failed including none other than Belichick. Can also add to the list: DJ (with the Bears) MW MM both here, Pete Caroll, and a whole string of others. So you can take a chance on getting that special someone, but the odds are against you. The other option is to bring in an experienced guy. Considering RW hasa reputation as a meddling owner who doesn't like paying coaches much money, I think Marty may be about the highest profile guy you'd ever be able to hire here. And that's assuming he does deep down want to coach. If as mentioned he really is done, then likely the amount of money RW would offer won't get him to change his mind Regarding the meddling rumors, people have brought up Jerry Jones, and Dan Syder as arguments that coaches don't all hate meddling owners. The difference there is, you don't mind a meddler who pays you top $$ and who always has his checkbook in his hand ready to sign a check for whatever you need. Unless it's for a charity (which can't knock him there) RW seems to ask how can we do without this expense?

I agree it would be somewhat surprising for RW to pay off three years on a contract. However in most cases the fired coach gets hired by some other team and then RW is only on the hook for the difference between his salary as a Bill and the new teams contract. In this case RW being cheap helps as another team may pay DJ close to the same salary to be DC or DB coach, so won't be the full shot. Would DJ get a coaching offer. Most likely he would as he likely may be one of the many who are good coordinators and position coaches but bad HC. Also these guys love to coach so for him to sit out three years would be too much for him and after three years, he'd become somewhat forgotton. I doubt he'd ever get a job on TV as he doesn't exactly have the personality for that.

NO because he'd never sign it!

Yeah but this gives people the ability to argue that they were right about whichever one they said would be good. It's all about proving they were right, nothing else matters. And BTW, I don't think this really is anything unique to Bills fans. Every message board around sufferes from the same thing of people needing to prove themselves smarter than everyone else. When you factor in a sports theme and add plenty of testostorone, it's a recipe for a fight. One of these days you'll read a headline on the news about someone killing somebody about a disagreement on a message board. Doubt it will happen here as as bad as it is, people in western NY still are good people at heart. I'd place my money on California.

And how do you know this to be true?? Granted he didn't play a good first half, which may have been due to an injury. But they still were only ten points behind and should have been less, so hard to believe he'd bench TE who had no int's. It may likely have been a minor thing and TE would tell you he could have played through it. However he did miss abunch of passes so maybe DJ felt was do to him favoring it, so yanked him. No idea, but also no that no one has any idea that it was faked either.

If Hardy figures it out by next seaosn, you may have that person there. The one other offensive need is a top notch center.

It's only guaranteed as long as DJ doesn't get hired by another team. If he gets hired by someone then RW is only on the hook for the difference between what his contract in Buffalo paid and what he's making elsewhere. In that respect RW's being cheap helps him as if he were to go to another team as say a coordinator, it may pay close to what he was getting here in Bufflao as the HC.

Had to read your post twice as I thought the last word was extention. Only a couple letters apart. The question I have is did DJ sign an extension or not?? If so I just cna't see RW eating the entire thing, though he sometimes does have a boiling point that this season may have gone beyond. I also do think he listens more to the fans than we realize, and know's if he brings back DJ he'll have a tough time selling tickets. That being said, I'd be surprised if he cans him IF they did sign an extension. Regarding the list of potential people to bring in. What has Jason Garrett done that either Greg Williams or Mike Mularky didn't do when they arrived in Buffalo? I think Williams even had more years as a top coordinator than JG has at this point.

Maybe Lindell felt bad that he was the only player not getting ripped this aeason, so wanted to feel more like part of the team.

JP has five times the physical potential that TE has. I will grant you that. But beyond that he's shown nothing. From the mental part of the game he's never even come close to TE on TE's better games. I don't think anyone is stating TE is the savior because of potental, but you'd be a fool not to give him adequate time to develop to determine if he has potential or not. TE has looked brilliant in some games and terrible in others. Though even the Jets and Miami game I really can't fault TE totally as there was absolutely no other offense that entire game besides what he did, both good and bad. And yes "JP has had his share of comebacks and nice throws" but it was never really part of a brilliant game that I recall. He'd have some great throws, but still look weak two plays later. I think the best game I saw JP play from start to finish was last year against the Bengals. Maybe the Miami game where he had the three bombs to Evans, but they still lost and other points in the game didn't look that great from what I recall. One or two years from now TE may still look the same, great one week terrible the next, and if so then you know you need to move on there too. But I'd be awful reluctant to give up on a guy that has in some games looked as well as he has. You need to determine beyond a shadow of a doubt whether that potential can be turned to consistancy or not. And anyone who claims to know TE or any other QB will or won't be good is full of crap as if you really had those answers you wouldn't be posting on this board but be working for some NFL or college team. If you predict he'll fail the odds are in your favor of being right as many more QB's fail than succeed.

Yes it was debatable as to who looked better, however it was kind of comical as JP looked the same as he always has. Usually a backup can be somewhat effective as you game planned for the starter, now the D has to change gears a bit. I actually thought JP played well in the Az game as a backup, but not good enough to generate any kind of big contract in the off season. Todays play though I think definitely cost him money as he was as bad as he ever has been. He proved he's nothing better than a back up. Before today I would have argued that he has a change to go to some team that needs a QB and compete for the #1 job in the pre-season. After this showing, I doubt any team would even give him that much. Maybe compete as the #3 going into camp with all three viing for #1, or possibley a solid backup role? I think todays showing proves that it wasn't that he got a bad shake from the Bill's, but it was deserved. What you saw today was JP at his best. And BTW, I was a former JP defender

What do you mean?? Does someone like the FAA monitor the shows and can pull them for being uncoopertative or something? I'd certainly assume they could get fired if their ratings get low, and/or sponsors pull the plug on them. I reca ll when he was an up anc coming star, thoughts were he'd be on ESPN soon. Maybe that's his problem, he's just become a bitter, fading, never was who's stuck in Buffalo and has a wife that makes more money and is likely smarter than him.

No I didn't expect perfection. However it was kind of comical as JP looked the same as he always has. Usually a back can be somewhat effective as you game planned for the starter, now the D has to change gears a bit. I actually thought he played well in the Az game as a backup, but not good enough to generate any kind of big contract in the off season. Todays play though I think definitely cost him money as he was horrendous. He proved he's nothing better than a back up. Before today I would have argued that he has a change to go to some team that needs a QB and compete for the #1 job. After this showing, I doubt any team would even give him that much. Maybe compete as the #3 going into camp, he might hope for or possibley a solid backup role?

I agree that's the question. Did he sign an extension as if he did, I just can't see RW eating the entire thing. Here's a thought, knowing RW, he sometimes does like to pull a fast one. Did DJ and RW agree on an extension, got all the details ironed out, DJ signs it, gets faxed to the Bills for RW to sign. RW sits on it, figures wait till after the upcoming game, they lose, so then RW figures lets wait another week, they lose the next three, RW now tell's DJ, geee I can't find the contract you sent me, sorry. I mean RW did agree to an extension at the end of the year with JK back in what 1996, but then JK played terrible the rest of year and RW didn't sign the extension. Notthat I disagreed with RW in that situation as JK did play terrible his last year.

The ref never said it went beyond the LOS, he stated it was near the LOS and according to him, that's good enough per the rule. By challanging you can't force the official to pull out a rule book and read it to verify that he got the rule correct. That's not the purpose of challanging. It likely wil lbe one of these things that comes out around Thursday that the offical was incorrect but it won't change anything during the game.

When you challange a call you're asking the officals to review the video of the play to determine what really happened. You're not asking them to read the rule book. It sounds like from what others are saying, the ref blew it by not knowing the rule, however I doubt a ruling can be changed via a challange becasue a ref interpeted a rule incorrectly. It's there for the purpose of correcting things that were not seen corrrectly due to speed of play. In some other sports, a misinterpetation of a rule (which sounds like this may have been) can be protested, but I don't think there's a protest process during the middle of an NFL game.

Well the only difference will be the names of the posters as the same thing happened with TE playing. It's all part of being right. If you were a supporter of TE for every bad pass that TE makes, it helps prove you're right and smarter than everyone else so you're going to post. Conversely if you stated JP sucks, for every bad pass he makes, it will help prove those people are smarter. That's the thing that matters most, looking like you really are smart!