Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Just read that McVay is not totally happy with Goff. Maybe a trade of Goff, Woods, and a couple of picks for Watson?

Yeah same with GB, Rodgers doesn't have that many years left. Even Seattle, Wilson is getting up there in age. Would be amazed if he was traded within the conference, would seem dumb particularly when you add in all the young QB's in the AFC, Mahomes,, Allen, Mayfield, Herbert, Burrows, & Jackson. Throw in Lawrence in Jax, no need to add more competition against yourself. Look at the NFL, who do you have that's young and great. A few boarderline, may become great, but still need to show more.

A couple rather amazing things we all saw in yesterdays game: Josh goes back to pass, falls down gets up scrambles some more and still completes the pass. How many others could do that? One or two off target snaps Lamar still handled/caught cleanly. Then you had the one that went by him at about ground level in the first quarter, he picked it up cleanly on the run and still was able to run away from pursuit and throw it away out of bounds for no loss. Then the snap at the end of the 3rd quarter, again fielded it on the run cleanly, after that things went down hill with intentional ground and a concussion. But even still how many QB's could field those balls cleanly on the run. Maybe K Murray and R Wilson would utilize the shortstop skills to make that play, but very few others. Most others would either just dive on it or if tried to field cleanly would likely muff it and end up with a live ball. Both were amazing in the that respect. Problem for Lamar is that's not the skill you want to mostly be renowned for.

Yeah did look like he went backwards some. May be the stats are based off where first touched?? No idea?

Back in the 90's they also didn't have as large of a fieldhouse (fieldhouse back then was smaller with lower ceiling) and I believe two full size outdoor fields next to it.

Johnson has got credited with a 101 yard return tying the post season record. While there's no yard markers in the endzone which makes to tough to judge, looking at the replays to me it looks like he was more than one yard deep. I do wonder if in a couple days as they go through and update stats, I wonder if it might get changed to a 102 yard return thus setting the record.

Actually as I thought about it some more I realized my response was not 100 correct. I stated: The opportunity to defer or not defer their choice and the choices are: (a) to kickoff or receive (b) The choice of goal his team will defend. What you really have is three choices: The opportunity to defer or not defer their choice and the choices are: (a) to kickoff or (b) receive or (c) The choice of goal his team will defend. There are really three choices you can pick from though of the first two, one is kind of inclusive of the other I also recall a more recent instance almost think it might have even been a playoff game where the player went out and stated "We'll defend this goal" rather than deferring

I'm about 95% certain the way it works is as follows At the pre-game coin toss whichever team wins the toss gets : The opportunity to defer or not defer their choice and the choices are: (a) to kickoff or receive (b) The choice of goal his team will defend. Which ever team loses the coin toss gets to make the same choice at the beginning of the 3rd quarter (kind of anti-climatic so it's not talked about much) What that means is if the Bills chose which end to defend, the the Ravens would say OK we'll receive the ball. Then at the beginning of the 3rd quarter, since the Ravens didn't get the choice pre-game they now get to decide what they want to do so they could easily and likely chose to again receive the ball. So the Ravens would have received the ball to both begin the game and 3rd quarter There would have been the option at the 3rd quarter for the Ravens to instead make the choice of which end to defend, then the Bills could have elected to receive, but the odds of Baltimore making that choice is low. What did happen was pregame the Bills made the choice to kick off, so then Baltimore got to decide which end to defend. Then the beginning of Q3 the Bills elected to receive so again Baltimore got to choose the end they wanted.

Earlier in the week I also had my doubts about the Bills winning this game, but as the week went on started to feel better as so many seemed to be picking the Ravens so felt the Bills could feed off that. The other thing was while the Ravens were likely as hot as the Bills, they beat some pretty weak teams, Cowboys, Giants, Jax, Cleveland, & Bengals total of 28 wins. In that same span the Bills beat teams that had won 33 games. The overall schedule for the AFC North was pretty weak, think the same reasons the Steelers went from 11-0 to 1-5 On the Interception was kind of weird as took Al Michaels awhile to call the Int. Watching on TV thought I saw a Bills player catch it, but wasn't sure, waiting to hear it on TV. Seems players rarely will take knee on Int's in the end zone WRT Wind Thought on the last FG miss by Bass, he played it outside and was counting on the wind to push it back, but the ball seemed to just go straight. Was thinking if I were kicking, think I'd just aim to kick everything down the center as who knows what the wind will and won't do. Tough song to figure out this week!

One of the things that bothered me about this post right from the beginning hat nothing to do with whether McD was a great, good, or even a poor coach. What bothered me was the list of "elite coaches" Kyle Shanahan??? He's had one winning season, other three seasons he's finished in 4th, 3rd, 4th place Think the OP has confused his success as an OC with HC success. Mike Tomlin Personally I've never been all that impressed with him won a SB in his second season likely with much of Cowlers roster, lost another in his 4th season and made it to one other conference championship game. Even with a franchise QB all those seasons, often struggled, last season with Big Ben out he finished 8-8. Once Ben retires unless the Steelers get lucky and somehow find a comparable replacement, I'll be shocked if within 3 seasons he's not fired due to a losing record. Seem to recall him making some dumb moves in games too over the years. Maybe his problem is simply being in the same place too long and has gone stale. Even Sean Peyton, like to see how he does without Drew Brees before calling him truly elite. On the other hand the Detroit Lions even with a very good to elite QB, no coach has been able to win there.

Any idea who took D Johnsons spot on special teams

First off the posts and comments weren't about what "I want out of Allen" It's about what is needed to get sports writers, TV shows, etc to say Allen is an elite QB. That was my point. The fact that you like to break things down into half seasons is fine too for you, but your take on it isn't going to stop the talking heads from saying what they are saying. What they say certainly doesn't matter anymore than your take and likely you may even have more data than they do to back it up, but again the point of the thread or at least a subset of the posts was about how unfair Allen is judged. My comments were what IMO needs to happen to stop the bad press. Playing "decent" would go toward showing this season wasn't a fluke and has nothing to do with what I want out of Allen.

OK but the press isn't breaking it down by the half season, they are just looking at full seasons. They want to see some level of sustainability. Plus too there is a ceiling for rating so to expect further improvement will be difficult. Not that staying the same would be an issue, but even that factoring in the level he's playing at right now could be difficult due to injuries, dropped passes, bad luck, etc. At this point we don't even know what next years roster will look like. He has to overcome a bad, but somewhat justified narrative from his first two years, so will take more than one season to win over everyone.

Who you talking about Vrabel??

The one thing Allen needs to do to prove he's the best is come out next season and prove he wasn't some one year wonder. Doesn't even need to be as good, just play decent. Then he'll get all the praise. In fact, you could make the argument Jackson was a one year wonder to some extent.

At the end of the game handshake, you could hear Harbaugh say to McD, "Win it all"

No it wasn't always 4 and 8 on Saturday. Back in the Super Bowl years both Saturday and Sunday were 1:00 and 4:00 Even the conference championship games were 1:00 and 4:00. Maybe within the past 20 years they started adding the night games and then also went to the 3:00, 6:30 Sunday schedule.

Not sure if the Bills receivers are better at getting open with Allen scrambles or Allens scrambles allow him to break free better, but Rodger's just seems to scramble to throw it away.

OK that was the one game I didn't recall anything about.

Thinking back to the Super Bowl years. 7 home games over the 4 seasons, don't recall any where weather was all that terrible. First year the Miami game was light snow, the 51-3 Oakland game was above freezing I believe? Maybe the next year against Denver wasn't too good?? 3rd year Houston comeback game was fine. Last year played KC in the title game believe was OK, don't recall the first game, was it Miami again? Never had any night games to deal with either were always 1:00 starts ll the years

Didn't realize that was done here, or maybe saw the results but didn't realize it was done by multiple people selecting. You'll sometimes see the BN Bills beat reporters doing one, but that's still only being created by 2 or 3 people.

Guys like Kiper and McShay and maybe a few others that do the scouting and mocks basically as their full time job likely have quite a bit of information too. Never really heard, but do wonder do they even have small staffs themselves? Then you have other sports writers that once March or April roll around, there isn't much else to talk/write about so they put out their own mocks. Those are probably based on little real information and study. But even the Kipers still likely have orders of magnitude less information than the worst GM in the league has access too. To me the problem with mocks is that it's all one guys thoughts. This year the Bengals are picking 5th I believe, so there will be mocks out by different people stating who they are likely going to pick, but it's based on the same guy predicting who the 4 teams ahead of them will select too. The real draft one team does something different and it can change alot. 3 years ago if Cleveland hadn't passed on Nick Chubb, we'd likely have traded up to #5 with Denver for Allen, wouldn't have had the pick used on Edmunds as I'd assume that other 1st round pick would have been need ed to get to #5 and who knows what else would have changed roster wise as a result. What would be neat to see is to get 32 of these guys together who do mocks and let them each pick in order. Now each guys mock selection will be based on who the people before them selected too. Would be interesting to see how many of their own mocks then come close to a 32 person mock.

How? Unless some of their contracts run out, they can't leave other than for a promotion, so really only two promotions could occur from a Bills position coach to OC and DC. Maybe if Dorsey doesn't get the OC job, he could ask to leave and the Bills would grant it. Even on a 13-3 team, there's also usually at least one coach let go at season end too so could be someone else the Bills wanted to move on from anyway. When do coaches contracts typically expire anyway? After the last game, I'd assume? I know front office contracts typically expire the beginning of May, right after the draft.

They had a video interview last week. I'd imagine they want to have a face to face interview before offering him the job. I did read that for the 4 teams that win this weekend, there's no interviews allowed until a week from Monday, obviously the two losing teams next weekend, no restrictions, the other two teams do still have some restrictions on interviews allowed, likely early next week would be allowed. I'd imagine still no face to face because of Covid concerns, where as other years, the Chargers could have easily flown to western NY and interview Daboll next Monday in Buffalo. I do think sometime coordinators lose out on jobs if their current team keeps winning as the new team doesn't want to wait that long. Could be the Chragers have a plan B if the Bills win this week and again next week and Daboll gets the short end of it?

True, but don't think it's too common for a coordinator to get fired then get hired the same off season for a HC position. As one other poster stated Kingsbury did that, but they are few and far between. Usually need some time to build your resume back up again.