Brand J

Original kickoff had the ball at the 30. I agree, they should back it up the 5 yards which would make touchbacks as low percentage as they used to be.

Good, it needed to be changed because it was essentially a “dead play” as McD described. Adios to surprise onside kickoffs, the only onside attempts that actually had a chance. I’d like to see that play modified too, they have something like a 3% success rate.

Those who would trade up and sacrifice a 1st round pick next year are clinging to two hopes: that the WR will be a future all pro, or at the very least, a perennial pro bowler AND the WR will be better than any taken after him. We know that’s not the case when it comes to the NFL draft, it’s a crapshoot. Even the “can’t miss” picks miss, so I don’t get the infatuation. Just take a guy at your pick, he may be even better, or trade down and gain another pick in the first two days. Trading up, or trading down, you’re not promised anything but gaining or losing draft capital. That’s it. I’d rather have more lottery tickets than give them away.

But collectively they will which renders your “argument” moot.

Is that from The Onion? No way would he say that.

It’ll be fun to look at and revisit, but no, it wouldn’t change my mind. If MHJ finishes with 1,500 yards and the Bills trio goes for 1,800, we’re still talking about career longevity where anything can happen. You’re putting all your stake in ONE player, when I have THREE. In other words, should something happen to one on both sides, I have two more that can continue putting up stats while your guy sits in the training room. Rice took 19 years to put up those ridiculous stats. Fitzgerald took 14. Both were largely iron men and they had to be to post those numbers. We don’t know what MHJ will be, he doesn’t even have a QB right now. I do know the Bills trio had a pretty good year last year and injury notwithstanding, will more than likely improve on those numbers.

Pretty illogical claim that one player who’s not even in the NFL yet will surpass the combined career numbers for 3 Bills receiving threats. Especially when pointing out that those three combined for over 1,700 yards in their first season together. Again, people on this board say the silliest things. Maybe I’m the fool for trying to engage with them in a factual conversation.

You seem obsessed with the comparisons to Dalvin, as if the situation for both players are the same. James is his own man in his own offense. 3,000 career receiving yards for a receiving back is a conservative number. Marshall Faulk, Larry Centers, and Ronnie Harmon have TWICE that amount. You know who also has at least 3,800 career receiving yards? Keith Byars, Marcus Allen, Tiki Barber, Roger Craig, Herschel Walker, Darren Sproles, LaDanian Tomlinson, Matt Forte, Walter Payton, Thurman Thomas, Warrick Dunn, CMC, Ricky Watters, Alvin Kamara, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Lesean McCoy, Austin Eckler, and a few others. Why this turned into a “James Cook will not reach 3,000 career receiving yards” is because your initial argument was flawed so you had to make it about something else. People say the silliest things on this board. The conservative 16,000 yards MHJ will have to put up to surpass James Cook, Khalil Shakir, AND Dalton Kincaid? That’s a much taller order than 3,000 for Himbo Cook.

I think those are relatively low estimates for each player, baseline numbers. Cook is a receiving back in the mold of Kamara. Did you know he had over 400 yards last year despite dropping some nice gainers? Not to mention that when Brady took over offensive playcalling he became far more involved in the pass game. I’m being realistic with my numbers, while you’re already putting MHJ in the hall of fame before he takes a single snap in the NFL and without even knowing who’ll be throwing him the ball. Again, MHJ has next to a zero chance to surpass all 3 in career yardage and total TDs in 4 to 5 years and a less than 10% chance to finish better than all 3 combined when it’s all said and done. He’ll be lucky to surpass his father’s numbers at 14,500 yards and 128 TDs. He’s not gonna have Peyton Manning throwing him the ball.

Sounds like you’re trying to find ways to end the careers of those Bills early. James Cook done by 28 because of his brother? Shakir doesn’t need a thousand yards in a season, you said MHJ would surpass ALL of them in yards and TDs combined. I mean, if you take one of them out of the equation it’s a little more realistic, but even then Kincaid and Shakir wouldn’t have to put up monster years just to beat an all world year by MHJ. Remember, we’re talking combined stats. Add Cook into the equation and it’s just not realistic. To make it clear and to put it into perspective, Jerry Rice is the all time yardage and TDs leader at essentially 23,000 yds and 197 TDs. Larry Fitz is the next closest at 17,500 yds, Moss is next in TDs at 156. Conservatively, if James Cook plays for 10 years and averages 300 yards receiving per season, Shakir plays 10 and averages 600 yards, and Kincaid plays 10 and averages 700 yards, you’re already looking at 16,000 yards cumulatively, which would put them 3rd all time, just behind Larry Fitz, a guy who played for 16 years in the league. Your prognostication would be correct if all three retire by the age of 35 and put up modest numbers along the way, AND MHJ finishes 2nd or 3rd all time in reception yards. That’s an unlikely and tall ask for both conditions to be met. The yardage alone is likely to debunk what you believe so it’s not even worth getting into TD numbers. Passing them in 4 or 5 years? Only if one of the three is benched or suffers a career ending injury *knock on wood* and MHJ goes on to have unreal production EVERY year. Remember, these three combined for 1700 yards and 8 TDs in their first year together, all of them new to their roles. Smart money says those numbers will improve starting next season.

Oh then I definitely disagree with that. One player is not going to outpace 3. Maybe if we were playing Madden and the injuries were turned off it’d be possible, but even if MHJ was mostly healthy throughout his career and hardly missed any games, I’d put my money on Allen distributing to Kincaid, Shakir, and Cook resulting in higher numbers than whoever will be throwing MHJ the ball. EDIT: And just for fun, these are the numbers a rookie TE, a WR in his first season as a full time slot, and a RB who left a number of yards and points on the board put up last year: 156 catches 1,729 yards 8 TDs And that’s just year one for that trio.

“Smart money” would have to begin at 1600 yards and 12 TDs for that to be a realistic statement and that’s on the low end. And in his rookie season with Kyler Murray potentially throwing him the ball? Highly doubtful.

You don’t swing for the fences on any position that isn’t a QB. You can’t win in the NFL without a QB, so those trades are justified. You especially don’t throw away multiple 1sts, 2nds, and whatever else the Cardinals want because it’d mean sacrificing numerous other significant contributors. The NFL is a team game, one all pro WR isn’t more impactful than a collective great WR, a very good edge rusher, a very good safety, and a very good defensive tackle. And even if one or two of those positions bust, you still have a chance that the rest become high level players, including the receiver you could’ve just stayed pat and selected at 28. No one knows how any of these players will pan out. You want to take a swing? Do it for already proven NFL talent.

No offense, but I’m glad you’re not running the team.

Long, fast, and rangy corner. Very grabby and had quite a few penalties against him, I believe. He also didn’t give up a TD until Shakir’s end zone grab in the playoffs. Should fit in well in that TN defense. Chiefs have capable CBs in Watson and Williams ready to step up.

To put it into perspective, let’s attach some names to the draft picks. Is MHJ worth: Kaair Elam, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau, O’Cyrus Torrence, and Matt Milano? (I mixed in busts and successes for an accurate portrayal of what those future picks might look like). What if Beane got supremely lucky and hit on all those picks? Dalton Kincaid, James Cook, Tre White, Dion Dawkins, and Khalil Shakir. Is one MHJ, who’s talent could range anywhere between HoFer to an injury prone bust, worth giving up 4-5 years of five young, cost controlled contracts? You don’t trade the farm for a non-QB. End of discussion. Let the draft come to you and select the best wideout available at 28 if that’s the path you want to take.

I’ll give him San Antonio and San Diego, but the other two are close enough to claim a team. Could add Austin, St Louis, Portland, Albuquerque, and Salt Lake City to the list.

Glendale, AZ is essentially Phoenix (in the same way I’d say Niagara is essentially Buffalo) so they have a team.

They say Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KS is the equivalent of Dallas and Ft Worth, just smaller, so you might be on to something!

Tom Brady wasn't the most gifted athlete, but he’s probably the closest to perfection at the QB position the NFL has had. From his diet, to his training regiment, to his obsessive studying of film… even he made mistakes. Mahomes has physical abilities that Brady never had, but isn’t as obsessed with his diet. Given that his average time to release the ball hovers closer to 3 seconds, he’s probably more like Josh when it comes to film study than Brady who almost always knew where he was going with the ball. No athlete is perfect, or will ever be, but the question is “what is he doing during the offseason to chase perfection?” None of us here can definitively answer how Josh spends his time, but he’s told us his preferred approach. And it’s not an obsessive one, nor does it have to be for the Bills to beat KC in the playoffs and win a championship. They’ve gotta get better around him.

When Kurt Warner dissected the play, he said based on the look the defense was giving he would’ve came off the Shakir read and looked for the crosser. He thought Shakir wouldn’t have came open given how the safeties were playing. Obviously Shakir did pop open after waiting, but Josh had his foot stepped on by Dawkins and the play failed. Josh wouldn’t have had to wait if his intention was to go for the crosser. And who knows, if he hit Diggs maybe the Bills score a TD with little time remaining and the Chiefs don’t win back to back SBs.

Josh definitely has room for improvement, like every QB in the NFL, so saying he can’t possibly play better is silly. Getting better at pre-snap reads has to rank highest on his agenda, but the only way that improves is through watching much more film, something he admits he’s not keen to do. With that said, the reason the Bills haven’t won a Super Bowl isn’t because Josh has failed the team or come up small in the playoffs. We all know the defense, whether ranked #1 or #15, hasn’t been able to pull its weight when it matters. If that unit had a guy step up and make a crucial play when it matters, like Chris Jones has for the Chiefs multiple years, Allen and the Bills would likely have at least one Lombardi by now.

One disappointing first round pick for another: CB Kaiir Elam to Detroit for WR Jameson Williams. Who’s with me?

Probably anticipated being released soon after the season and was putting in a bid for his hometown team.

What’s his projection? I’d use one of the 4ths with the hope he beats out Edwards at LG. Seems more talented.