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Buffalo Bill, I don't quite grasp the concept. The excerpt above doesn't express to me the intention of your proposal. edit: In what way(s) would this create a different type of thread? Is the intention to cut down on the number of threads or the number of responses to a thread? What is the benefit of implementing this? Can you re-word for slow learners like myself? Thank you.

I agree with you (as usual) that the Bills addressing of WR this offseason has been a bit underwhelming and I've been trying to feel better about it. Not directed at you but posters here complain generally that we didn't do enough in that regard and that we should have traded up/not traded down/drafted a different player. That said I believe most of us were onboard with the 2 trade downs and thrilled with the acquisition of a 3rd rounder. So I'm interested to know which WRs some of the posters would have preferred the Bills to draft instead of Cole Bishop at #60 or instead of DeWayne Carter at #95? BTW I peaked at the remaining free agent WRs and the list is not very exciting... it's too bad the market didn't wait until June 1st. Tyler Boyd Michael Thomas Hunter Renfrow Zay Jones Mecole Hardman Marquez Valdes-Scantling Corey Davis Julio Jones Russell Gage Allen Robinson Alex Erickson Lynn Bowden Scotty Miller Jalen Guyton Randall Cobb Sterling Shepard Robbie Chosen Richie James Jakeem Grant

I generally agree with the doctrine that it's best to draft BPA than for need but as we all know there's no team that ignores need. As you suggest there is a time and place (a round and pick) for when to draft certain positions. However that blanket rule ignores the reality, texture, and nuance of the draft. I think we'd all agree that the best drafters and the best draft picks can come from breaking those rules and recognizing the exceptions to those rules. Regarding the players in question, DeWayne Carter and Ray Davis, it's interesting to look at the context of their picks In the case of Carter, there were 9 DTs taken in the first 54 picks. The next DT taken was when the Bills took Carter at 95. That triggered another run on DTs, at 97, 105, 109, and 116. That tells me that the Bills valuation was pretty sound. Unlike you and some others, I and some others like Carter and particularly envision him being a valuable addition to the pass rush. Oliver disappeared against the Chiefs and I think that Carter's selection took that into consideration. Interior pressure is important. Regarding Davis, he was the 8th RB taken (#128) and part of a run that started with Jaylen Wright at #120 and that ended with 5 RBs later with Braelon Allen at #134. Again his valuation seems correct and while I don't recall your feelings about Davis, I very much like the player and believe that like Carter, he fills a glaring hole on the roster... a dependable RB who has no weaknesses, never fumbles or drops passes, and can be counted on to get at least as many yards as a play is designed to gain. I could be very wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if he had 200 touches this year and like others, hope very much that he significantly reduces the number of plays where Josh Allen is the designated runner. You can't hit a home run for an elite difference maker with every draft pick. Yes. Firstly let's not pretend that it's gonna be difficult to replace Gabriel Davis. Secondly Diggs mentally checked out in the last half of the season. There's good documentation that he was not being bracketed by defenses and good documentation that he was taking himself out of games. And there's no disputing that there were several clutch, difference-making plays where he simply dropped perfectly-thrown balls. I agree that it's not a given that Diggs won't be missed but by the same token, I don't think it's a compelling argument to say that he'll be sorely missed either. The greater point is that good organizations can have solid drafts which incrementally improve the team and I really like this draft. I pretty much love every pick they made except for the rugby player, and I can understand that pick even though I don't like it.

He's probably better than Trent Richardson but not by much.

In addition to the mention of Jeff Saturday (31.50") here are the arm lengths compared to the last 4 All Pro Centers: SVPG: 31.375" Jason Kelce: 32.50" Frank Ragnow 33.125" Creed Humphrey 32.25" Corey Linsley 32" Also keep in mind that the top center prospect in the 2022 draft, Tyler Linderbaum of the Ravens, has played up to expectations (2023 Pro Bowl) and should have a long and decorated career. Linderbaum has an arm length of 31.125" If SVPG doesn't succeed as an NFL center, it won't be because of his arm length. Also SVPG was First Team All-SEC center and won the award for best blocker in the SEC. I'm no O-line expert but it looks like it's not far-fetched that he have a good NFL career. Here is a nice All-22 breakdown of SVPG:

I compared Solomon to Dumervil upthread... the reason being that both have disproportionately long arms. The tale of the tape:

And my complete list of 25 receivers, below:

Forty times are meaningless.

I think @PromoTheRobot's point was that it's not gonna happen. The teams have relinquished as much control as they're going to. Yes, not quite 4 months younger than former Bill Tremaine Edmunds.

My belief as well, as I've posted elsewhere. On the other hand the Chiefs traded a 3rd and a 6th for Kadarius Toney. In spite of having watched NFL football for over 5 decades, I can't predict the future but I have no problem waiting to see how this all plays out. I believe Coleman will justify his draft position and that Beane will be vindicated but we'll know soon enough.

They said on ESPN that even close family members struggle with the pronunciation. Actually Nigeria by way of Alaska: "In 1984 his Dad immigrated from a war-torn Nigeria to Alaska to build a better life. He earned on accounting degree from the University of Alaska Anchorage while driving a taxi to pay his tution, Eventually he founded "Consumer Care Network- a company that provides in-home care for the elderly people with disabilities… while establishing a successful real estate business as well. His mom Joyce, followed her husband from Nigeria to Alaska and eventually earned a PhD in psychology, all while raising 5 boys and instilling an unwavering work ethic. "We just put one foot in front of the other” Joyce said. “We’re immigrants. For most immigrants the reason you come here is for a better life. So when you get that opportunity you try to make the best of it. Coming somewhere where you are looking for a better opportunity, it minimizes the struggles. You have to endure the hard work. You don’t see that as struggles because you know where you’re coming from and appreciate the opportunity to make something better for yourself and your kids." This kid isn't only a special teamer: All PAC 12 Associated Press 3rd Team All-American Butkus Award Finalist. Thank you for a GREAT observation. Like Milano and Bernard, this guy plays like he was shot out of a cannon... every play. I really like the Bills linebacker unit now across the board. It should be the best LB room in the McDermott era.

Wham Bam Thank you Ma'am! I won't predict when SVPG will become the starter but competition is a hugely important ingredient to success. Cochrane and Bailey have passed on but I think Dershowitz is still around. I'm told Lady Egmont was quite offended by this selection. There's no way he won't be getting practice reps at one of the guard positions. Good thinking! No telling how long it might take from the seamstress.

Funny we both posted essentially the same thought within seconds of each other. 👍

Ty is a good football player... tough, good in-line speed, good on special teams. Davis is an accomplished running back and an upgrade over the journeyman Johnson. Davis rushed for 260 yards and 4 TDs against a Top 20 team. He played for 3 college football teams and had success at each stop. His selection ends the Bills veteran re-tread carousel of Duke Johnson, Latavius Murray, Damien Harris, and Ty Johnson. Amen, Brother. It's not a black and white thing... it's a matter of degree. Once Joe Brady took over, the offense definitely had a different identity. It looks to me that with the picks of Coleman and Davis the Bills are going to have that power component that they've been missing. As we did at edge rusher last year with Leonard Floyd. Exactly correct. James Cook had about 237 carries last year. The other Bills running backs (Latavius Murray, Ty Johnson, Damien Harris, Leonard Fournette) had a combined 144 carries.. Josh carried the ball 111 times. I'm thinking Ray Davis will get at least 175 carries and 200+ touches. He's essentially a starter, running back 1B. Moss played very well in 22 games with Indy as a backup and part-time starter (11 games) after Jonathan Taylor was injured. Moss had 259 carries for 1159 yards, 4.5 ypc, and 6 TDs in a poor, one-dimensional offense and looked like the physical, dependable running back the Bills thought they were getting when they drafted him in 2020. Davis does look a bit like MJD... and the comparisons to Frank Gore, Travis Henry, and (the Indy) Zack Moss are all good ones. Tough, hard-nosed, good vision and instincts, runs with conviction, has good burst, and is a good pass-catcher and pass blocker. Davis gives the Bills an effective and dependable running back that they can use as an alternative to James Cook depending on game situations.

This Bills team drafts well in the middle round. Besides Benford and Shakir, they took Milano in the 5th round, Taron Johnson in the 4th, Siran Neal in the 5th round, Wyatt Teller in the 5th, and Gabe Davis in the 4th. Not undersized... short... but with freakishly long arms. His measurables are very similar to Elvis Dumervil, the Louisville product who was drafted in the 4th round and had a borderline HOF career: 105.5 Career Sacks 23 forced fumbles 2× First-team All-Pro (2009, 2014) 5× Pro Bowl (2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015) NFL sacks leader (2009) Player Height Weight Arm Length Wingspan 40 Yard 10 Yard Split Elvis Dumervil 5'11.375 257 32.625" 76" 4.75 1.65 Javon Solomon 6' 246 33.875" 80.250" 4.72 1.65 Not a bad comparable but Ingram had short arms 31.50"

The Bishop quote I like the best is the one about "adding value." I wish more posters around here had that concern. I wonder if he missed his calling... maybe he was supposed to become "a man of the cloth?" Maybe he'll become an ordained minister. McDermott doesn't run the draft. Don't forget about that one detail... PSLs or something like that?

That 41 point high school game? It was ridiculous how effortless those 360 degree dunks were. And I mean effortless.

And that's why I raised the questions in response to his analysis... which you in part answered. Thank you.

Thank you for a sober post and a legitimate concern. I don't watch Florida State football (or any college football) so in evaluating Coleman's production it's fair to question Florida State's offense, their passing offense, their QB, and who the other receiving options were.

The upper end of Coleman's statistical range is possibly higher than that but also, statistics only go so far in expressing a player's true value.

My expectations are based on: Being picked at #33 Gabe Davis' production Dalton Kincaid's production Joe Brady's spread the ball offense Heavy usage in the red zone Keon will have 600-700 yards and 6-8 TDs as a rookie and his numbers will improve about 20-25% as his career peaks. He'll make a disproportionate amount of big plays and his run blocking will be a big part of the offense.

In this topic Keon Coleman has been compared to the following bigger receivers who had middling 40 times: Eric Moulds N/A Keenan Allen 4.71 (Pro Day) Anquan Boldin 4.71 Devin Funchess 4.70 Terrell Owens 4.63 Larry Fitzgerald 4.63 Cooper Kupp 4.62 Kelvin Benjamin 4.61 Allen Robinson 4.60 Tee Higgins 4.59 Plaxico Burress 4.59 Puka Nacua 4.57 DeAndre Hopkins 4.57 Michael Thomas 4.57 Davante Adams 4.56 Courtland Sutton 4.54 Mike Williams 4.54 Gabriel Davis 4.54 Brandon Marshall 4.53 Mike Evans 4.53 James Hardy 4.53 Dez Bryant 4.52 Michael Pittman Jr. 4.52 Vincent Jackson 4.51 Kenny Golladay 4.50 It's also been brought up that players that timed slower like Jerry Rice (4.71), Steve Largent (4.70), and Antonio Brown (4.48) had great NFL careers. Amon-Ra St Brown (4.59) is on that trajectory. I think the following points are indisputable: No one here knows what Keon Coleman's career will look like (we might think we do but we don't because all of us have been wrong about players) He was drafted 33rd overall A slower 40 time does not guarantee failure in the NFL Play speed is different than timed speed Based on his RAS, the game tape, his multi-sport exploits, and professional opinions, Coleman is an elite athlete EXCEPT for top end speed Besides elite athletic traits he brings size, toughness, elite contested catch ability, and elite blocking ability to a WR room that had none of the above His size, toughness, and unique traits will translate well to cold weather, late season and playoff games when DPI becomes legalized

His agent told ESPN that there is "frustration and confusion" over the pick. $282 million and counting...

Moreover, Reid traded a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder for... Kadarius Toney.