QLBillsFan

All that is true. He was given a dreadful roster, a superstar qb who could not play, and a less than respected owner. They competed in most games and most importantly were developing Davis Mills big time. The general theme is unless you operate like Urban you almost always get a 2nd year minimum and imho I think he deserved that.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/analysis/preston/bs-sp-nfl-black-coaches-preston-20220119-oo4eejl7ovhffhpnsqfc2554nm-story.html Sorry for being redundant on this. I think I provided link way back. The great point you make about short window is spot on. Culley, Wilkes, Joseph, all only one or two years. Might be missing others. Can’t get my head around Culley firing as it’s ridiculous.

Statistical fact. Since the Rooney Rule 21% of NFL head coaches hired have been hired. Currently 6 GM’s are black. Just a couple years ago the league had 8 black head coaches. It’s about more black candidates filling the lower level jobs that filter more up to the OC and DC jobs. The why is : 1. Are you qualified 2. Are you connected; is someone in hiring decision very familiar with your work. Or do they trust a reference who believes in your work. #2 is the challenge in any hiring scenario. Corporate enterprise works the same way. The solve is having more minorities in the potential candidate funnel. That’s the solution. Leftwich wants Wilson as his GM who happens to be black. They have worked together, believe in each other, and have trust. Just like JS and DB. Good for all four of them. Not racism just human nature. Agree what the heck are the Texans doing considering McCown? Culley got bad deal other than a substantial $ buyout. Thought he did a good job considering.. and the rookie qb showed great improvement.

True on Leftwich he wanted Wilson as GM from his relationship in Arizona. Can’t blame him. Isn’t it how the world of networking works.

He lost me at “Plantation” backstabbing BB per Florio that he had a hand in BD getting the Giants over him. He had both of them in his employ for many years. Flores was never a DC .. position coach. Perhaps Flores should be more appreciative with BB since I’m sure he supported his Phins hire. Seems since he pushed for Judge last hire who knows. But Flores looking all about Flores.

Fair point on the Rooney rule. I think the solve is more black coaches in the pipeline who can become head coaches. Very few from position coaches to HC. So need to feed the position coaches and lower level roles. Then by sheer numbers the outcome will be more qualified black coaches ready to go. Currently with six blacks GM’s that’s some progress. Agree he was fast tracked and certainly was not a bad coach. I don’t think he was let go for leading a pretty bad team to 24-25. I think his approach on the people side of it hampered his success. I thought he was and is a viable candidate. But agree he’s not head and shoulders above others in current cycle.

Could all be true about Elways liver. He is a guy who recently hired a black head coach. Not cool if Flores is right in that he was not engaged if it’s true.

But he’s black and unlike Nagy he deserves special treatment. Judge him by performance in 3 years. Did some good things others not so good. 24-25 and unable to work with others. By the way I think gaining maturity and experience would allow him to do better next time. At the ripe old age of 43.

Nice job by Flores assuming Elway was hung over and not engaged. Pretty strong character attack on a guy by all accounts well respected. How much of this is Flores a victim looking for all the reasons he’s been wronged. Calling out multiple people on ethics and racism. All the while setting a plan to align himself with Watson. Points to a level of narcissism.

Proof is required. We shall see. My guess is Ross stays owner.

Some players also reportedly didn’t like or get along with Flores. He fired multiple OC’s and literally didn’t talk to the vast majority of his coaching staff after Thanksgiving. Establishing an issue of poor communication and lack of people skills. Important as a leader in any industry. The thought of nfl players 70% of which are black striking is ridiculous. 21% of HC coaches hired since the Rooney rule have been minorities. Wilkes and Culley each only got one year and they have been certainly wronged. Currently Leftwich and Bowles are two examples of black coaches better positioned to be hired this cycle. Hot OC (similar to DB), or former coach w mixed results as HC having earned another shot via great DC workin TB. I would not been shocked if Flores got or potentially still does got a HC job. But it’s rare to get fired with a sub .500 record and immediately get another HC spot. Gase somehow did but it’s a short list. I’m guessing that Congress will have no interest in getting involved in the NFL. The right thing to do is hire the best candidates for the job regardless of ethnicity. Flores has a case of ethics with respect to Ross. But, dragging two others franchises into the racial muck along with BB in the name of a greater cause seems all about Flores.

Not at all. Manufacturing outrage.

https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2022/jan/14/nfl-executives-want-expect-more-black-coaches-to-b/

21 % of HC since the Rooney Rule began are have been minorities. So that’s interesting.

Sure he could have. Or it could gone as reported that he agreed to Tua. For sure it’s been documented that he soured pretty quickly on him. Tua does not come out of this looking good at all.

The point was he was part of the decision to take Tua and not Herbert. He was onboard with that.

Why are they going to fork out $? Because a black coach was fired for an under .500 record. Nagy had a similar record and a playoff appearance. Black coaches are getting jobs. But just like white coaches if they don’t win, they get fired. Multiple GM’s are black and so more coaches will get hired. But are these current GM’s who are black also racist for not hiring a black coach?

https://www.outkick.com/how-brian-flores-really-felt-about-tua-tagovailoa/

But being forced to hire candidates based on race is good right ?

Well he picked Tua over Herbert so that didn’t help .

I agree on your McDermott point but will agree to respectfully disagree on Flores. I think his lack of people skills was exposed and he would have gained a great perspective as DC for a bit and then back to HC. Like JM getting the Raiders gig. A little more time to become a better leader the next time.

It has been documented that Flores agreed to Tua over Herbert. Then soured on him because he’s not very good and prefers golfing on days he could be working on his game.

That’s all true except he could not get along with his GM. Or keep offensive coordinators or develop his QB of choice Tua. D Culley got screwed, Flores not so much.

Yes a very respected DC at age 40. Who clearly would have gotten another chance fairly soon.

More qualified based on his 24-25 record and inability to develop a competitive offense? In a league being dominated by offensive play. A coach who agreed with the front office that Tua was a better option than Herbert. Who was given a chance by the Dolphins owner and black GM Grier. The Giants have stated he was in serious consideration. They chose instead an OC that was highly sought after. Who built an offensive and developed a QB who crushed the more qualified Flores. More proven ? Leftwich has demanded he bring in his own GM with the Jags. His colleague who happens to be black. Smart move but similar to JS & BD they have a great relationship. Isn’t that just smart all around. No matter ethnicity?