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There’s a lot of good football discussion on this board. Hell, there’s more Chiefs discussion on this board than there is on Chiefs boards.

What, exactly, is your point? Jalen Hurts accounted for 374 yards of offense out of 414 total for the Eagles. If his O line did all the work, then why did his RBs only have 45 yards on 17 carries? He probably played the best game of any losing player in SuperBowl history.

In 2022, Kansas City drafted Trent McDuffie (starting CB), George Karlaftis (starting DE), Jaylen Watson (starting/nickel CB), Isaiah Pacheco (starting RB) as well as Skyy Moore, Bryan Cook (starting S in 2023), Leo Chenal (starting LB in 2023), and Joshua Williams (started multiple games). 9 rookies played at least 17 snaps in the SuperBowl. They didn’t have a first or third round pick in 2021 due to trading it for a starting LT, and they still came away with Nick Bolton, Creed Humphrey, and Trey Smith. All three of them would start on Buffalo. The Chiefs will be the favorites in 2023, and half of their starters next season will have come from draft picks made as recently as the 2021 draft. We’re not talking about some garbage team with high draft picks and a roster lacking talent. They replaced guys like Tyron Matthieu, Charvarious Ward, and Anthony Hitchens…and got better.

Buffalo should have outbid Miami for Hill. Would’ve cost them Von, Elam, and a little more.

It’s bizarre that anyone thinks adjustments weren’t made at halftime. Kansas City called 5 running plays in the first half. They called 6 running plays on the opening drive of the second half alone including the first 3 plays. That wasn’t an accident. Andy Reid is pretty open about wanting the ball first in the second half so that he can game plan for the first possession based on what the defense did in the first half. This isn't even worth debating.

Reid had infinitely more success without Mahomes than Belichick has had without Brady.

If Hurts doesn't fumble, it's 4th and 10. They were giving the ball back to KC either way. Pretty good chance the Chiefs score either way. He played an incredible game, but Mahomes was even better. Hurts was not the reason they lost.

The Chiefs just drafted two defensive players in the first round, one in the second round, one in the third round, one in the fourth round, and two in the seventh round. All 7 of them played in the Superbowl and 4 of them were starters. Chris Jones is a monster, but 6 of those guys were major contributions. Kansas City just isn't as worried about losing games during the regular season because of rookie mistakes. Reid understands that the postseason is all that matters, and he coaches to win in January even if it means talking your lumps in November.

Josh is the only good player in the NFL. How dare anyone talking about the Superbowl give credit the the guys who actually...you know...played in the game?

Funny thing about the second easy TD... Skyy Moore was lined up wrong. Andy recognized it and tried to call timeout, but it was too late. Fortunately Mahomes recognized it as well and sent Moore in motion to the correct side. It was a great play call, but it was also an incredibly smart play by Mahomes to keep it from being a disaster.

In order for Josh to take the next step from being great to being even greater, he needs to learn to process what he sees quicker. A lot of that is pre-snap. When he trusts his pre-snap reads, he’s nearly unstoppable. It’s when he holds onto the ball too long where he gets himself in trouble, takes sacks, and throws dangerous balls into traffic. That’s where coaching can help him. It’s not about bad play-calling. Nearly any play can work if it’s executed correctly. It’s a matter of Josh getting the ball out on time, on target, and to the right player. There are times when he’s great at that, but there are also times when he gets a look in his eyes like the game is moving to fast for him. I saw very little of that last season. It was there a lot this year, especially later on.

What team is giving up picks for White or Oliver? Tre is due nearly $50,000,000 over the next 3 seasons, and he looked like a shell of his former self this year. Oliver is JAG and is due over $10m next year. Even if he has a great season, he’ll be a free agent. I suppose it’s possible someone would offer a conditional late round pick for EO, but trading White would be a pure salary dump. It would likely require Buffalo to give up picks for another team to take the salary hit. If he were a free agent, he wouldn’t get anywhere near 3/$50. Why would any GM give up picks for the right to take on that contract?

Agree with all of this. That said, as far as I know Bradbury didn’t do anything to deserve this. Not a good look for Juju. He seems like kind of a jackass.

Mahomes had no fumbles or interceptions in a postseason game. Josh has done that once in 8 tries.

If I had Shaq’s height, people would be calling me tall.

The author got his numbers wrong. Allen is +700 not +170.

It’s not intended to be proof of anything other than the ever-changing target that exists solely to discount Mahomes’s accomplishments while making excuses for Josh.

When the Chiefs signed him, TBD’s consensus opinion was that he sucked. Suddenly he was a huge weapon all along and provides Mahomes some insurmountable advantage.

Josh led the NFL in interceptions thrown. He also led the NFL in fumbles. He also led the NFL in total turnovers.

So we’re back to pretending that the Bills roster is holding Josh back? I already said the Chiefs have had a better line the past two seasons. Josh has had a top 5 defense the past 3 seasons. The playing field is, at worst, level. If you think the roster has been the problem, just wait until next year. The Chiefs lost Matthieu, Ward, and Tyreek in the off-season while Buffalo added Von Miller. This was likely the best roster Josh will ever have around him. If he can’t figure out how to protect the football, it’s going to be awfully hard to get over the hump.

Smoked with 4 backups playing on that line, yes. He also won the season before when his starters were healthy. At some point, the QB is what really matters. If they were to start over with 5 new starters next year, I still like his chances to be back in the SuperBowl at least once in the next few seasons. This season, the Chiefs had $172m of cap not allocated to Mahomes. The Bills had $192m not allocated to Allen. The narrative that Josh is somehow a victim of a bad roster is laughable.

This is a much more valid argument than the comparison of weapons. Kansas City did have the better OL this year and last year. That said, he made the SuperBowl two years ago with 5 different starters on the line.

When you’re down to arguing about the difference between Kelce and Juju vs Diggs and Davis, it’s probably time to admit that your position isn’t very strong.

124 TDs for Mahomes 129 TDs for Allen 50 INTs and fumbles for Mahomes 69 INTs and fumbles for Allen So Josh had 5 more TDs and 19 more INTs and fumbles over that span.