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What team is giving up picks for White or Oliver? Tre is due nearly $50,000,000 over the next 3 seasons, and he looked like a shell of his former self this year. Oliver is JAG and is due over $10m next year. Even if he has a great season, he’ll be a free agent. I suppose it’s possible someone would offer a conditional late round pick for EO, but trading White would be a pure salary dump. It would likely require Buffalo to give up picks for another team to take the salary hit. If he were a free agent, he wouldn’t get anywhere near 3/$50. Why would any GM give up picks for the right to take on that contract?

Agree with all of this. That said, as far as I know Bradbury didn’t do anything to deserve this. Not a good look for Juju. He seems like kind of a jackass.

Mahomes had no fumbles or interceptions in a postseason game. Josh has done that once in 8 tries.

If I had Shaq’s height, people would be calling me tall.

The author got his numbers wrong. Allen is +700 not +170.

It’s not intended to be proof of anything other than the ever-changing target that exists solely to discount Mahomes’s accomplishments while making excuses for Josh.

When the Chiefs signed him, TBD’s consensus opinion was that he sucked. Suddenly he was a huge weapon all along and provides Mahomes some insurmountable advantage.

Josh led the NFL in interceptions thrown. He also led the NFL in fumbles. He also led the NFL in total turnovers.

So we’re back to pretending that the Bills roster is holding Josh back? I already said the Chiefs have had a better line the past two seasons. Josh has had a top 5 defense the past 3 seasons. The playing field is, at worst, level. If you think the roster has been the problem, just wait until next year. The Chiefs lost Matthieu, Ward, and Tyreek in the off-season while Buffalo added Von Miller. This was likely the best roster Josh will ever have around him. If he can’t figure out how to protect the football, it’s going to be awfully hard to get over the hump.

Smoked with 4 backups playing on that line, yes. He also won the season before when his starters were healthy. At some point, the QB is what really matters. If they were to start over with 5 new starters next year, I still like his chances to be back in the SuperBowl at least once in the next few seasons. This season, the Chiefs had $172m of cap not allocated to Mahomes. The Bills had $192m not allocated to Allen. The narrative that Josh is somehow a victim of a bad roster is laughable.

This is a much more valid argument than the comparison of weapons. Kansas City did have the better OL this year and last year. That said, he made the SuperBowl two years ago with 5 different starters on the line.

When you’re down to arguing about the difference between Kelce and Juju vs Diggs and Davis, it’s probably time to admit that your position isn’t very strong.

124 TDs for Mahomes 129 TDs for Allen 50 INTs and fumbles for Mahomes 69 INTs and fumbles for Allen So Josh had 5 more TDs and 19 more INTs and fumbles over that span.

If you want to pretend that Allen’s 33 combined fumbles and INTs in 18 games is similar to Mahomes’s 18 in 18 games, sure. Allen had 6 in two postseason games. Mahomes had 1. To me, ignoring that would be unreasonable.

So it’s unreasonable for me to say that Josh is likely a HOFer but Mahomes is clearly the better QB? Both have been the starters for 5 seasons. Allen has made the playoffs 4 times. Twice he has lost to Mahomes, and twice he lost to a team that Mahomes beat the following season. Mahomes has made the playoffs 5 times. He’s made 5 AFCCGs, 3 SuperBowls, and has won 2 MVPs. Most recently, he received 48/50 first place votes for MVP. Josh, with a healthy offense, just scored 10 points against the Bengals. Mahomes, playing on one leg with his top 4 WRs out due to injury scored 24 the following week. If he were to announce his retirement tomorrow, he’d be a first ballot HOFer. They are both great players and it’s a hell of a rivalry, but they aren’t equal. To argue otherwise would be unreasonable.

There’s as much Chiefs talk here as there is on the Chiefs boards.

Funny thing is that Giants fans are having the exact same conversation about Kadarius Toney.

This is exactly why I said they need to rein him in during the first 10 or so games of the season. Stop calling designed runs, and tell him to stay in the pocket or throw it away. He can always use his legs in the postseason, but the abuse he takes on a weekly basis is unsustainable. Ben was always banged up, but he lasted a lot longer than Cam. Josh plays more like Cam, and he’s likely going to have a similar career arc if this continues.

So we’ve officially hit the ‘Mahomes looks better than Allen because Mahomes has Jerrick McKinnon’ level of cope. Mahomes has won two MVPs and made three SuperBowls with Damien Williams, Darrel Williams, Clyde Edwards-Elaire, Jerrick McKinnon, and Isaiah Pacheco as his RBs. He’s the best QB in the game, and it’s not really close. Josh may get there some day, but right now he’s the consensus second or third best. Now that his salary is going way up in 2023, we’re going to see what he can do when he has less to work with over the next few years as the salary cap position moves the team from buyers to sellers.

Why would Dallas give up Lamb plus a pick for a guy with similar production that is 6 years older and has a history of being a locker room problem?

Well it can’t possibly be that Mahomes is simply the best player in the NFL by a decent margin. There must be some reason he just won 48/50 MVP votes that’s unrelated to his play.

What are these factors that have held him back, and what can be done about them? Brian Daboll just won coach of the year, and McDermott finished 4th. The Bills have had a top 5 scoring defense the past 3 seasons. He’s got a #1 WR and a ProBowl TE. He was the preseason favorite for MVP. Buffalo was the preseason SuperBowl favorite. He’s had absolute stability on his coaching staff until this season where he basically hand-picked his new OC. I’m just not seeing this huge disadvantage he has to overcome year in and year out.

If you had to clone one guy 53 times and fill out a roster, he’d probably be the overwhelming first choice. If I were coaching him, I’d try to turn him into a Roethlisberger style player and force him into that box for at least the first 10-12 games of the season. It might cost the team a game or 2, but regular season games no longer matter at this point. It would make him a better QB and potentially add years to his career. He took an absolute beating against the Bengals.

5 years into Josh’s career, he just threw 3 INTs and had 3 fumbles in 2 playoff games, and you’re still talking about how Mahomes sat most of the 2017 season? You’re just being ridiculous. If you want to figure out who the best QB is, find the guy who had 33 interceptions and fumbles in 18 games this season. It ain’t him. Josh is a great player who will likely find himself in the HOF some day. What’s the point of trying to convince people that he’s better than the guy who just got 48x as many MVP votes as he did? Allen’s supporting cast had $19,000,000 million more dollars in salary, and they put up 10 points in an elimination game. If you want to debate Josh, compare him to Burrow. That’s the better discussion.