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If you take a guy in the first round and they perform to expectations, the 5th year option is almost certainly worth it, regardless of position. The problem children are the ones that show flashes and don’t get over the hump per say. You don’t want a guy who is a reasonable starter that flashes occasionally and is non-existent other times. The Bills found themselves in this pickle with Edmunds and I would argue Oliver as well. You may not want to lose them, but guaranteeing them is also more than you want.

I think you could justify it considering the guys that play out of the slot a lot these days. You are going to see Hill twice a year running from there and all over, it’s a good position to be set at.

Josh got to secure his future, the Bills took a risk after one good year, it was calculated well by both. Josh also got an exorbitant amount of guarantees (at the time), so he got what he needed. The beautiful thing for him, he’s going to re-set it all again in a few years. He signed a very smart deal. Agreed, I’d have Watson at tier 2 until he’s back on the field and showing success outside of trash time.

I agree with what you have to say. Regardless of circumstance, Brady has been nothing short of amazing. I still don’t like home, but show the man some respect. I agree completely on Herbert, he’s got the tools and had the flashes than got us all intrigued with JA. He may not be quite as athletic, but we are splitting hairs on it all., they are top 7 picks in the NFL, they are freaks. Herbert is far better than I realized from his college days, he came in with far better coaching than Allen, he may be further along in development and maybe he hits a plateau, but at this point he’s the closest thing to Allen there is. Nothing against him, I just hope he suck’s against the Bills for the next 20 years.

Isn’t it nice to not be debating if Tyrod is a top 15 guy? There’s going to be somebody who likes somebody better than somebody else, no matter what. I don’t think there’s a sane person in the world that wouldn’t agree, when you talk about the best QBs in the league, Allen is in the conversation. When you are talking about a guy to build your team around, Allen might be the favorite. To me, Herbert is a better version of year 2 JA, a lesser version of year 3 JA, but the guy looks to be on the trajectory to be a great. Maholmes has had amazing success, Burrow looks damn good, Aaaaaaaaaron is always an MVP candidate, Brady is the Goat, Wilson has been a great when healthy (last year was not the norm) and Watson was a stat machine, albeit on a team that was getting blown out often, so idk what to make of him. So pick the flavor you like. JA is one of the very best in the business and still has room to grow and the attitude to want to, that’s awesome. To me, you have to look at the “would you trade them straight up for the other guy?” My answer is, I think most GMs would say there is nobody they would trade straight up for Allen or Maholmes, to me, all the others fall under, the “damn right I’d make that deal” category. So in terms of most valuable, it’s those 2, followed closely by Herbert, and Burrow. I’d bet you would find at least 50% of GMs that would swap Herbert or Burrow for Allen or Maholmes. The others are all trade-able. Age plays a part, stupid contract plays a part, injuries play a part, but when you look at it, nobody would consider trading Allen or Maholmes, unless they just preferred the other for some reason and would swap only for the other guy. They are both dynamic playmakers with enough body of success to prove they are great. Herbert has to step up and do it at a truly high level all year, Burrow though really good, not nearly as scary as the others and the others have either been traded or dangled for trade, or are 40+, that’s all you need to know. I’ll say this, there’s nobody I’d trade Allen for. He’s just as good as Maholmes and has done it with less weapons. Side note, way less drama, that’s my guy. I’m sure there are fan boys of the other guys that think their guy is better, but objectively, nah.

You always have to have an eye on the future, if you trust your scouting department, an awful lot of guys drafted well past the first round have been good enough to play LT as a rookie. Money can be moved, but there is a limit to that, so locking a valuable position to a rookie deal is a big thing. Not saying I would, but I wouldn’t be shocked either.

Agree to disagree. A difference make doesn’t have to touch the ball. That’s why DEs and CBs get paid so much. WRs are the over pay dujour, give it time, it will be figured out a guy that touches the ball less than 10 times a game isn’t worth it either, the elites at any position are worth better money, and CBs will be getting big money to shut down these good/not great 20M WRs.

Vs the guys we have now? I’d take a good rookie

I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade up using Edmunds to get him. Edmunds is a mis-fit, would clear 12M in cap. Then you have your guy for the next 5 years at a reasonable price. Makes it easier to move around again next year.

Knox is a rising star, this year will determine how big of a star people think he can be. He may get monster money, maybe just good money. I’d like him back, but money talks. Oliver, good player, not worth a monster deal though. We’ll see what this year says. Edmunds, I hope the dude gets PAID, by the Dolphins. Motor isn’t going to be big money. Poyer will be decided upon after the Edmunds decision is made, if he gets another couple years, Edmunds is gone. I like him, but she and body abuse is a question.. if he and Edmunds end up gone, won’t be shocked.

I could see a trade back if you want him, but I doubt it.

Willing to bet it’s much like I purposed, sure sounds like it, 70 M lower base rates and a big signing bonus, effectively a void last year.

The contract is the key.

I think the most obvious thing to keep in mind is Dawkins is good, not great, but good is valuable in the NFL. He could be a trade target or just looking to shed big salaries as the Allen deal kicks in.

I’d hate to see him go, but I won’t be shocked if they move on. He is 30 and abused his body, we may have seen his best years already. I would not be opposed to a 3 year extension, moving a lot of his salary to a bonus this year, and adding more in signing bonus to it and trimming his cap hit down to call it 7M a year for the next 3 years if he would go for it, still gets paid and we keep a high performer on a reasonable deal.

7 years ago, yep! Honestly, have to wonder if that hit didn’t really knock a screw loose. He was known for being a hard worker, not a diva, after Burfict knocked his head off, all sort of stuff came out shortly there after. Who knows if it was all just building or that was what did it. What a career he was in pace for, now I don’t think there’s anybody that will touch him. It’s a shame honestly.

Edmonds will likely be part of the trade if they do or traded in a subsequent move. His $12+M in cap would be nice to move on from.

Beane is perfect with every decision, you blasphemous fool!

If it means getting a new defensive backfield, I suppose it’s ok.

No thanks, I’ll draft my own.

I’m excited about Groot, Miller should be able to teach him some tricks and his presence will make Groots job easier.

I hope he stays out this year and goes there next year, they’ll ditch Tua, Brady will finally get hurt and they will have nothing again for years to come.

Guy was awful last year and he’s the “Break Out Star” this year huh? This better be a sad attempt at an April Fools post.

I brought up the idea of trading Edmunds and our first to go up for on of the LBs in the first. It’s a good salary cap move both short and long term. Could see WR or CB as a target too both high dollar positions we could use upgrades at.

You are right on that, the question is, do you have to pay a QB or can you find a reasonable fit and keep rolling. Tannehill got paid for executing what Tenn wanted. Would Fitz have taken them just as far for 1/2, I would argue, yes. Could they have gone to a Ryan this year? Probably. The counter point is the Colts who keep searching for a guy to get it done. Anybody dumb enough to go w Wentz deserves the problems they had.