Mikie2times

They play for McD is to me is the grossest exaggeration and disconnect our fan base has. They play for each other. McD is not the loveable coach that players will hoist up and carry off the field if we get a trophy, nor is he despised. He's the HC of a team of professionals with largely self correcting character, a trait that this team pursues above talent in many circumstances.

This thread is about playmakers, not McD. You made it about McD.

Oh yes, the standard rebuttal of the McD fan club. Wait each year for every promising candidate to be poached, then mid season say, see! Nobody is available. Works every time.

Not to mention, a hall of fame TE, even if eroding in skill, is consistently open. They bring a lot of speed and scheme players open. You can watch 1 quarter of Chiefs football and see more open WR's than we will have an entire game. The comparison is laughable.

I would start with HC

I'm not tossing the season aside I'm shifting the conversation to what this really needs to be about. If you think landing a 30th-40th ranked WR and a 10th ranked TE in the future is the answer, I imagine you and Beane would get along well.

What do you think this looks like when he's 31 or 32 and has Palmer and Coleman or other FA castoffs as primary weapons? He's running around 2-3 years older flipping balls around like he's in his mid 20's. The madness needs to come to end, not because we need to be a better team as the focus has been for some time now, but because we need to preserve #17. The risk level of not providing those weapons is shifting each year and becoming more and more obvious.

It is a lot more peak than the version of Allen we will see 2-3 years from now if he isn't surrounded with more playmakers.

Yesterday felt like the first game in a long time where Superman seemed a little more human. I don't blame him for that, when you're asked to literally do everything, that is a situation that can only be sustainable for so long. The main theory around here is we have 5/6/7/8 more years with Josh. While Josh could "reinvent" himself into more of a traditional pocket QB, that just isn't the player he has ever been for this team. So it's hard to just assume Allen will successfully transition into that player. Allen is probably more dependent on his physical skills than any QB in the NFL. You know Josh is going to put in the work to be the best version of himself. But one thing is for sure, he absolutely can't become a more age neutral QB if he's being asked to be the entire offense. Now is not the time to leverage the last couple years of peak physical skills Allen has. The front office has to position him to be more of a traditional QB. This goes beyond the standard pleas to add offensive talent we have had for a few years now. It's more about building a roster and system Allen can age in gracefully and elongate his career with where he isn't being asked to create 40% of the offense with his physical abilities. What we are asking him to do right and what we have asked him to do for years is going to shorten his career. This crap needs to come to an end. Get the man some tools to be successful for gods sake. This feels like drought era QB malpractice right now.

That didn't stop us from giving Benford 76 million.

It’s has more impact if you just talk about what it looks like on the surface.

It’s funny how you call out these “key” players who haven’t shown they can play in the NFL or the injuries to guys that got banged up well after the suck started (which has actually been most of the year). I mean, we are supposed to get excited for what Jones, Sanders, Samuel, Palmer, Hairston, Strong, Milano, Bernard, etc…. All of these guys either A) haven’t shown they can play in this league B) haven’t shown they can stay healthy C) both

I really don’t trust Beane to be honest. I just can’t reconcile the guy he presents himself to the media as, and somebody who would call PFF and complain about how they graded players to the point that the PFF main rater says he’s the most sensitive GM in the league. Then you throw in the radio interview where he mocks needing a #1 WR. The you looks at how he has local Buffalo media essentially in a zero access state if it’s not team approved positive content. Beane tries to portray the BBB image. The reality is he’s sensitive, not as confident as he comes across, and I sincerely believe reports that he is not a very good scout. As it aligns with his track record drafting. We want him to draft a WR worth a crap, just jeep in mind, Kelvin Benjamin is probably the best WR he has ever drafted. This is not a guy with any track record at WR. His hits in Kincaid and Torrence at TE and G are not positions teams use #1’s on. So you better hit if you do. Glad we did, but the wins have been pretty minimal. The the extensions have been downright criminal.

It’s the GMs job to eventually get one of those situations correct? I understand we can’t talk about it because Keon needs 6 more years to develop and Max needs to play one down, but while we aren’t talking about it other teams are getting production from those draft picks and not using qualifying conditions to justify not judging players yet.

Hairston might be fine. That doesn’t take away from the fact that two players were very highly rated and available when we picked and we passed. These are not hindsight picks. These were well known players nearing BPA at the time of our pick.

Jesus, thank god. After 1787 days I can finally go to sleep. By the way, why does his name sound like Native American porn?

Johnson was BPA on just about every board when we picked. McConkey was BPA on several. This is like saying Troy Franklin or Tory Horton or Halati Ngata is hindsight. Sure, usually it is, but it’s not when most fans are calling it out.

The consensus for a long time is McD is elite and Beane is elite. I called flaming horse crap awhile ago. You don’t have an MVP QB, elite HC and elite GM and not get over the hump in almost 10 years. One or more than one element to that is not as good as perceived. I would point at GM even before HC. This just isn’t a championship caliber roster and it’s been going backwards for awhile now. Iteration one was far better than two. Like light years better. We are no longer getting the Beasley, Brown, Poyer or Hyde FA’s. That quality has been replaced with tier 2 acquisitions, fringe starters serving as primary players. No, Buffalo players are not getting snubbed in the Pro Bowl or Top 100, they just aren’t very good. The consistent lack of representation on these lists is just a byproduct of it. The good ones you mention, like Torrence and Kincaid are first rounders at positions teams rarely even use first round picks on. So ya, we sort of had to hit there. Beane is a witch alright, it’s just in PR and sales, not talent acquisition. He has sold this entire fan base that he knows what the hell he’s doing. He even doubled down on then offseason reminding the fanbase how “dumb” it was to think we need additional WR help. Good thing we have all this C talent locked up on extension.

looking like Sam Rothstein from goodfellas

Things I have been cursed at by the majority on this board. Brady is not a tier 1 OC, Beane is not a tier 1 GM. Forget about McD, but these other two slip under the radar way too often.

Hate to break it to you, but you won’t see it all year

I would settle for his slow cousin Jerry Wannestedt

The talent level is so low. It’s not absolving McD, it’s on both Beane and McD. The Josh Allen show is only going to cover for them so long.