Mikie2times

Give me an argument that doesn't involve the regular season for him to be the guy. He has a chance to do that with a strong defensive showing.

The flaw I see in this method is it treats every team equally as far as the desire they have to play and extend draft picks. Some teams stock more via Free Agency, some teams have had a lot of turnover leaving the teams un-loyal to draft picks. Then in a case like the Bills, more loyalty to draft picks than perhaps any team in football between our tenure and our approach. Does that mean we have the most talent or it's been the best approach? Not necessarily. Not to mention the trickle down AV from Josh Allen to the rest of the offensive players with how this method is used. I would at least like to see average AV per player in addition with the total to help offset some of the concepts I'm talking about and give more perspective.

I prefer a balanced perspective. People tend to get carried a way a bit on here which sure, it's a site about the Bills so you would expect that, but just because I'm a fan doesn't mean it removes my sense of wanting to be accurate and logical. If you see me not act that way by all means call it out, that's why we are here right?

I'm going to stop trying to defend previous statements and just look at this again. Since week 8 Offense has an EPA of 19.9% in 2024 vs 7.3% in 2022 Defense has EPA of 3.4% in 2024 vs -.8% in 2022 OFF= 12.6 DEF= -4.2 OVR= 8.4 Plays not involving turnovers Offense: 24.2% EPA in 2024 v 19.3% EPA in 2022 Defense: 19.3 EPA in 2024 vs 8.6 EPA in 2022 OFF 4.9 DEF -10.7 OVR -5.8 Look at where we fall on this chart since week 8 on plays that don't involve turnovers. I don't think the take that 2024 is better is unreasonable. The offense is signifgantly better especially in the run game. The defense, while worse, is not so bad it totally erases the gap in offenses. At the same time the defense has been very suspect in 2024. Remove turnovers and the gap in performance is almost as big as the offensive difference from 2024 to 2022. That isn't to say turnovers don't matter, they certainly matter, but how you play without them certainly matters as well. I don't know if you can overcome that. The 2024 team is just not as complete, even when looking at the 2nd half of the season. Many think injuries will show a big improvement in the postseason. I'm not going to debate that concept. I do think we can disrupt the Ravens. I like a team that is getting the level of disrespect our team is. At which point, I also like how we match up with KC. So regardless of the answer to this thing I think we have a path.

Statistically they're not better which means objectively they're aren't better. If you want to say your feelings are X that is fine, perhaps they're subjectively better, but what you feel means nothing to what is real and isn't real.

It's not even a conversation, statistically it's no comparison. We are one incredible Ty Johnson TD pass on 4th down from Denver having the ball down 3 in the 3rd quarter. The entire game swung on that single play. We had the Patriots come into Buffalo and largely dominant the game as other cellar dwellers have against us only for turnovers to eventually swing it in our favor. This team is very flawed, as was the one in 2022. It lacks top end talent, made up for with a HOF QB and a weak division. Paper tiger both seasons. The 4th DVOA rank is the lowest we have had in the 2020's

Hindsight is the great equalizer. If we get stomped by the Ravens, we will look back and claim the Rams game or the first Ravens game was a lot more telling than we initially believed. The reality is this is a flawed team, just as the 2022 team was. A HOF QB does a lot to make a flawed team look a lot better. Some differences exist between the two squads but it would be nearly impossible to say one is signifgantly better. Just like it would be impossible to say what will come from the Ravens game this year (which I give us more of a chance in than the Bengals game).

We had the #1 DVOA in the NFL in 2022 This year, we have the 4th rated DVOA and we beat a Chiefs team before they hit playoff stride, as we have multiple times in the past and a Lions team that was so decimated by injury on defense that they nearly allowed a 40 banger to Brock Purdy the following week. Those wins are solid wins, but to position them as reasons we are somehow different than 2022, a year which we actually dominated by a larger margin is just pure Bills fan folly. Hilariously inaccurate and misguided.

Nothing based on anything real exists to support this statement

I'm calling time out on this thread

That's what I felt when I bet against in the Bengals game. Not worth it. Regular season, I wouldn't have an issue.

It looks like this will be the first time the Bills aren't favored at home since November 8th, 2020. So interesting set up for that along with a lot of other reasons. I bet against them in the Bengals playoff game. It isn't worth it my opinion. These games a pretty special. Either a bet on them or leave it alone in my opinion.

He had a bottom rated offense in the league 24th and 21st in points and yards in 2020 29th and 30th in 2021 (when he was scapegoated 🤣) So I know "pumped out 1k WR's" sounds sexy and all. But his performance wasn't.

I think Murray is a coach killer. Hell, probably more like a franchise killer.

He has been successful with the greatest offensive talent in college football history at LSU and a Bills team with one of its best offensive lines in history, a Pro Bowl RB and a Hall of Fame QB. He failed in Carolina with a low talent level. His route structures are very basic and Josh has created an absolutely insane amount of off schedule plays this year it’s hard to even know what it looks like without him. I prefer to retain him for continuity and I love how he has gotten Josh away from the three point offense Dorsey had. But I don’t see some mastermind, and in my opinion, if he leaves he will have a very similar fate as Daboll.

This team was one win away from the #1 seed

Daboll 2.0 which is fine, Daboll was competent. But again, people underestimating what Allen does for the OC. Look at the play to Ty Johnson. That’s the difference between us pulling away and being in a dog fight.

Yup, he has to be the winner.

You lost me here, then really lost me at the end

Chris Kelsey and Terrance McGee both had 10 years while Schobel had 9. This would be the tops for anybody we drafted. I don't think any FA's or UDFA's would beat these totals. Kyle Williams would be the winner if it wasn't for his final season.

Thank god Josh hit, can you imagine if they missed, picked the wrong Josh, and had to deal with an owner who called his shot on one of the all timers while the "pro's" traded the pick. Talk about never living it down.

We know Pegula like Mahomes a lot. That's about it. https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article295355694.html The failure rate on Allens profile was higher than a normal QB or normal draft pick. That is the point I'm making. If he showed some grit isn't really up for debate. He was obviously impressive in a lot of other ways.

I was least interested in Lamar followed by Allen....lol I wasn't one of these people saying they had no chance, but at the time QB's with Lamar's history of running in college or Allen's completion % did not have success in the NFL. We have seen a shift in the way QB is played since that time. If you think about Brady or Montana etc, that is how QB's played historically. It was precision, decision making, accuracy. Sort of what Burrow does. Anything outside of that mode really didn't work. Mahomes started to change that a bit, then Allen and Jackson just destroyed it all together. To the extent that more QB's are modeled off them nowadays than the traditional guys. I know people liked to slam the pundits who said Josh wouldn't make it, but to do so he had to overcome so many things. To say our decision to draft him working out didn't involve a huge risk, it did. None of them are a sure thing, but Josh had to overcome so much even at the stage he was in at that time to get to who he is today. It was a borderline bad decision to select him from a probability stand point but in the end he will end up being the most impactful draft pick in our franchises history. I'm just glad we have him.

Perfect, red uniforms I hope?