Mikie2times

I appreciate the thought out post. My question was phrased a specific way and I don't see you explicitly stating an answer. I can infer from the post that your answer is as long as McD keeps showing growth he has an indefinite amount of time. Growth from the perspective you're stating doesn't seem to be anchored to a clear result as far as I can tell and more to continued improvements. I guess that's a bit tricky given how close and how far we have come. One could argue how much more improving can we make without actually getting to the Super Bowl? I will ask it in a very clear way. If the Bills go to multiple AFC championship games and a couple divisional games and never miss the playoffs the next 4 years, but don't make a Super Bowl, is McD still your guy?

I spent about the last 1000 posts trying to prove a case could and likely should be made for moving on, but man is that negative. It's just not worth all the posts from my perspective. At the same time, I think it's fair to ask his supporters where does the line get drawn? We have had as much regular season success as any major sports franchise since 2020, but we did that in the 90's as well. I hear people dismiss the postseason as the "tournament" but from my perspective, more often than not, the best team does in fact win the Super Bowl. It doesn't happen every time, but most of the time it's how it unfolds. I think it's very fair to ask if we did the same thing all over again the next 4 years, would it be enough to these posters? If the answer is yes, and it would seem likely it has to be (given what points are made by his supporters) then these threads and all the debates involved are kind of pointless. It would just show a fundamental difference in how both groups look at success and what they ultimately want. So again, really curious how McD's supporters feel about this. Winning is fun, losing is not fun, I like to have fun. But at the end of the day I really want just one. To me that has to be the goal. Eventually I feel like you can't ride the same horse who hasn't been able to accomplish that forever. Maybe some feel you can or you should. I would like to hear perspective on that if that is the case.

Shoot him behind the barn and tell the kids he ran away.

These takes from the church of McD effectively allow him to remain our HC as long as he's successful in the regular season. Nothing that is being said by any of his supporters wouldn't be able to be said again in another 5 years without a Super Bowl. Given we have an MVP level QB, regular season success seems more likely than not. I would be curious at what point his supporters would be alright saying, ok, I have had enough? How many years of not reaching a Super bowl is "enough" for those that are supporting him? Or does that even matter to you? As an example if we repeat the last 4 years the next 4 years is that ok for you? Perhaps that will help people get some perspective on your outlook with this.

I wonder if Richie could file a civil damages claim

Perhaps. How he avoids the pass rush with his legs, scrambles in many of the "got to have it moments", and his off script and extended plays are things I'm not sure he can do long term. Those are young mans tools but have been such a huge part of his game. It's weird to think what would become of a Josh Allen who never leaves the pocket. Ben Roethlisberger is probably a likely comp as he ages. Some people talk about Ben now and it's a bit off the mark. Allen has more athleticism in his toe.

I expect it will be explosive

The year prior to Sean (you know with that dumpster fire rex) we finished +21 in point differential and went 7-9. The following year we finished -57 in point differential and went 9-7. Good for Sean that his -57 point differential was enough to defeat the Pythagorean Theorem gods. I believe that team has one of the worst point differentials in NFL history to make the playoffs. Either way, if Dalton doesn't complete that pass it's just another drought era year. We finished 9-7 with Doug Marrone and Mike Mularkey, 9-7 just wasn't good enough those years. The following year we went 6-10 for a -105 point differential. We only had a -100 point differential 3 seasons in the entire drought era. He has a losing record without Josh Allen. So no, I don't think he is signifgantly better then a drought era coach. His floor is likely higher because he's so good on turnover differential but ultimately without Allen, he would have bounced around .500 football as most do. As the data says he would do. As many of our drought era coaches did. I think you perceive this as an insult to him, which it isn't. He's good enough to win a Super Bowl. Give some of those drought coaches an MVP QB and stacked roster and some of them would have been as well. As of now he only has the MVP QB and not the stacked roster and that's a factor in this as well.

Given he had Bernie Kosar and Drew Bledsoe, two players with much more raw talent, I would yes.

If we can get a high enough level of talent we still can do it with McD. I don't think the guy is THAT bad. He can win a Super Bowl, but he isn't going to do it with this C grade roster on defense (which he very well could of had a large hand in acquiring). So yes, I agree, Rams style, this team needs to go all in. If we don't add some real difference makers next year I can pretty much tell you how the year will unfold.

Bill Belichick never becomes who he is without Tom Brady. They don't win a Super Bowl. Bill doesn't date 20 years old women (maybe he does) and never goes down as an all timer. That doesn't mean he's bad, but his reputation was lifted so dramatically by Brady. When this is all said and done Beane and and McDermott will have wasted a potential dynasty under the mirage that they're elite performers when the entire time Josh was just propping them up. People here won't get it until it is nearly too late at which point I hope we have enough years on Allen to still have a chance.

I mean, I have data on how teams perform with an elite QB. Nothing we have done here is outside of what that data suggests we would do. You can worry we might have a year like Cincinnati had, but they also have been further than us. So not that worried.

This is just an uneducated comment

Not really when you look at the AFC east performance around us, who is going to dethrone us? It's not insulting to Sean to say we have a considerable QB advantage. Which does REALLY mean something. Teams who get top 10 to top 5 QB play have winning % AVERAGES north of 70% for a decade+. Forget about MVP level play or MVP level play vs the AFC east scrubs. Most the coaches in this league are pretty close. A few are much worse and a few are much better. Sean, like most, is in neither in the good or bad. Somewhere in the in-between. He does a great job with consistency, focusing on winning turnover battle, and leadership. Not so great job with schematics, adaptation to new ideas, or change. His football philosophies are becoming the norm vs the cutting edge and the roster is just not very talented on his side of the ball. Which you can also blame Beane for, but Sean has to take some blame as well. At the end of the day we would have several AFC east crowns and likely a conference championship appearance with several of our drought era coaches. We wouldn't have been as consistent. Oh well as far as I'm concerned.

2020 and 2021 as well.

I mean, 400 yards, 20+ first downs, 7 yards per play, 30+ points. Just missed the 30. We did some things well in that game but some want to hold that as evidence we know what were doing on that side of the ball. Very little difference between that game and others like the Colts, Bengals, Chiefs multiple times. The difference was turnovers. Kudos to us for forcing them, but doesn’t speak to the bigger picture that is just our inability to get teams off the field and get the possessions back to our offense.

What team doesn’t have a couple starters out? This is healthy as we can ever hope to be after 19 games. What context are you using to say that this level of injuries is note worthy? Plenty of arguments. But throwing this one at 2024 sort of minimizes the years it actually had some relevancy.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MaybAa99.htm Maybe Maybin

We have had such a bla roster for so long the idea of a budding star acting a certain way gets people’s panties in a bunch. I don’t think he’s worth 15 but they will figure it out. In the mean time if god forbid this escalates, which 90% of the franchises have seen the last few years, so be it. Maybe we need more players who think they should make more. It means Beane is doing his job.

It’s easier to ask if McD could have done what he did this year. Again, the guy was handed two coordinators he didn’t choose. He was asked to be the CEO and basically let those two run each side of the ball. I don’t see this working for a guy like McD. It wouldn’t work for most HC’s in the NFL. Maybe the only reason it worked for him was he had no choice. But something to be said for focusing on managing your business as whole a HC, letting new concepts in, etc.

Ya, I hear ya. All good dude. Just been a long day.

I said Tom Brady sucks as an athlete and we shouldn't be afraid to draft "character concerns". Hernandez is an extreme example to make a point.

I think we overvalue "fit". Fit could be a players size, speed, or intangible background all relative to the position they play. I imagine we feel this optimizes our picks but it tends to shun some damn good football players. Look at Keon Coleman as a recent example. I think Beane likes larger WR's. Gabe Davis => Kelvin Benjamin => Devin Funchess. Now, could Coleman still be a great player? Sure! But if you need size, then you exclude Worthy, McConkey, Pearsall...Now are we in position to knock out that many very good players because our preference says we like bigger WR's? If you do that you're limiting the talent pool. Which I truly believe we do. I think we go for the guy who is best for "us". But lets be real here, this is hardly an exact science and at the end of the day you need some REALLY talented guys. So can you afford to find that level of fit vs just the best player? Further, this concept of a cultural fit just bothers me. If your good culture can't allow you flexibility to draft some unsavory talent (Aaron Hernandez) then what is your good culture actually worth?

Howie Roseman basically told Siriani, here are your two new coordinators. To his credit he found a way to see the potential in the situation vs getting butt hurt. Most coaches would not have the ability to allow two HC level assistants call the shots while they manage the whole. They have too many ego and control issues. He was able to do that. So good for him.