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The Jets used it after Green Bay last year. We knew exactly what to expect with an entire offseason to plan for it and couldn't execute.

I'm only bumping this because it seems to be relevant. The Jets did not blitz Allen yesterday which has never happened in Allen's career and is following the trend from after the Green Bay game last season. I will admit, this can't be as simple as just not blitzing Allen. When you watch the games it also seems like Allen's ability to scramble in the pocket and create has been much more limited than 2019-2021. To me it seems much more like defenses have looked at film and said two main things. How do we limit improvisation? How do we encourage mistakes? The answer seems to be slow rushing Josh. Keeping containment in rush lanes. Dropping 7-8 in coverage, spying all the time, and asking Allen to drive the field. Are you guys seeing the same things? I have seen so many what is wrong with Josh threads. I really just think teams have found a very good recipe against him.

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I mean, isn't that the main issue? For a lot of people doing the right, hard, whatever thing is not that big of a deal. The big deal is doing the right, hard, whatever thing all the time. What puts Josh at risk of these breakdowns? If Josh stays within the playbook, he is less likely to make the wrong decision. If he deviates outside the playbook, he is depending on instincts and vision in a split second to never make mistakes. These moments are what give him greatness along with inconsistency. Josh needs to learn how to be great at reading defenses. Getting the ball out quickly and in rhythm. Being a normal QB. It is not any more complicated than that.

He completely locked down Wilson. He had some swag back. I saw him mouthing a bit. If his play is being judged by how we fills at the line of scrimmage, I would say we have bigger issues to worry about.

Dorsey is not ripping a pass downfield into a sea of defenders. This Peyton Manning and Joe Burrow comp is also horse *****. Yes, Manning was a trash playoff QB. How does that matter for Allen when he plays like a trash QB? Allen is not Peyton. He's more like Favre. Who was also a trash playoff QB. People on this board are confusing Josh for something he isn't. If you don't have tape on him. If you put him in a system with limited options. If you build playbook to limit hero ball. That is the old Josh that everybody is pining for. Josh will never perform that way again unless something drastic changes. The version we are seeing now is what Allen looks like when he has to be a normal QB, the league has tape on him, and he has unlimited freedom. He still will try everything he can to improvise. To run. It won't work very well. He will struggle to stay within the designed play. He will make mistakes as a result of getting impatient. It's not an injury, or a game, or an aberration. It's who Allen is. Same as it was who Favre was. How people are so blind to this around here is beyond me. You can still enjoy the guy a hell of a lot. Just as you could enjoy Favre a hell of a lot. You can still hope for change. But if you think what you're seeing is somehow not who he actually is, delusional.

I mean yes, this was miserable. But imagine sobering up and realizing that an entire offseason of hope along with building a team around a specific short window of time was essentially ruined in a minute. It sucked to be a Bills fan tonight, but it’s got to be worse to be a Jets fan. This will likely set them back another 10 years.

He had 1 solo tackle at halftime. Finished with 4 solo and 7 assists. Looked fast but was pushed around on a few plays I saw. Still, pretty big adjustment to do that in two quarters. Milano was insane. Tre is also back for the most part. He essentially shut Wilson down outside of that crazy end zone catch. Floyd was super impressive. The defensive was actually pretty damn good.

As somebody who has said Josh can’t read defenses, clearly I’m not one to jump to defend what we saw. That said, it was criminal to not use play action. The run game was working enough and Allen is one of the best in football off it.

For me this started when teams stopped giving him the sideline. He will get it once in awhile. But it’s not like it was in 2020-2021. So much of what Allen does was built off improvisation. Likely even better than Mahomes, but teams really focus on taking that away by spying him, slow rushing, boxing him in, playing loose coverage. He’s struggling more in these positions and teams know he will make mistakes if you consistently make him nickle and dime you. He isn’t consistent when just being Johnny QB. He can’t just be Johnny QB. Favre couldn't either. He will have moments. It might even seem like he’s changed, but it will come back again. With this, let’s also not forget that Favre has a ring and is a HOF QB. Allen is still basically our entire team right now. We will live and die with these ups and downs. I suppose we prey he can eventually break these trends. IMO it might require a more cerebral coach. Daboll seemed to understand how to manage this. But perhaps Allen had less freedom then, perhaps he was working more to control it as a “dumb” rookie vs a NFL star.

😂😂 Say we deferred and the Jets scored a TD or a FG, we would know it’s 4 downs anywhere on the field until we get in range. Further, if you get a stop right away you’re in position for the Win. I think deferring is the correct play with the new rules.

In college they always defer because you get the extra down if the other team scores. The only disadvantage is you could be working on a short clock but I have to think NFL coaches will be deferring as we see more of this. The extra down is just too much of an advantage. I don’t know if the Bills were prepared for that situation TBH. I guess we will see as more teams weigh in.

I don’t care how it looks, just win the damn game and sort it out later

Kick the ball

Most TD’s and most Turnovers. If that doesn’t capture Josh I don’t know what does

Allen’s looks a lot like people said when he came out of Wyoming. He just spent all his energy working on it in his early years. This is the totally free version. Highs and lows at the extremes.

Josh is Favre on steroids

Awesome game plan and execution so far. LOVE seeing Hardy challenge the edges. Those looks contribute to first downs and extending drives. Cook providing balance. Josh taking what the defense gives him. Defense aggressive. I think it would have been this way with Rogers in the game. We are playing fast. I’m very happy with this start.

I think the journey to the top of the mountain was pretty exciting especially after so much misery. But now, we are sort of stuck near the peak knowing that in the scheme of things the games now really aren't what has prevented us from reaching the top.

Cleveland owns him. He is 1-4 and about to be 1-5 vs the Browns.

They deserve the 2020 Bills treatment. I'm from the burbs outside Detroit. During our drought, the Lions were about the only team I could say had it worse. Outside maybe Cleveland moving.

Campbell has built one of the better coaching staffs in the NFL. He's super aggressive and very creative in how he is aggressive. Lions will be a force this year. It seemed pretty obvious after last year and how they finished.

QB: Josh was at an MVP level, arguable should have won at least one up until last year. I can't just give the nod to more experience as with that experience teams have started taking away things he excels at. I need to see a stronger counter punch to upgrade here RB: I think we are better here. Cook has more upside than motor. Harris has more upside than Moss. WR: The WR room is worse than all of the years. Having the high end versions of Beasley and Josh Brown is better than any #3 or later WR we have and by a considerable margin. Davis and Knox have things to prove if they want to best the best years they had in 2021. Kincaid does not offset this but helps. OL: Morse is not as good and Dawkins is not as good. Those are the two best we had then and still the two best we have now. Torrence and McGovern should upgrade the guards to be among the best we had during this stretch. RT has been a liability nearly the whole time and still is. I say it's a break even. DL: Rousseau could take a step, Floyd will give us double digit sacks. Perhaps the start of 2022 takes this, but if Von comes back healthy, this should be the best line we have had. LB: Obviously a huge regression here against any of the seasons. No way around it. CB: This unit was just better during the pre Tre injury and Levi Wallace days. I do think it can end up being better this year but we will need Tre to return to full form. Having the one shutdown corner allows us to do a lot more. S: I have to give youth the nod here. So better in years past but like the Rupp signing and we certainly have more depth than we ever had. 2021 was a Super Bowl team. I think we can compete against that roster this season but we will need to have some things go our way for that to happen. Questions marks as far as ceiling are all over the place with this team.

I forever love this Gif

This thread has made it's way to the forum either 3 or 4 separate times (not your fault OP). It's as if each person who discovers we have a lot of starters drafted by Beane feels like this is some how the kryptonite to the bad draft argument so they reincarnate these finding as new news. Beane drafted Allen and he is responsible for drafting a lot of our starters. That doesn't mean he's good at drafting, but I would also stop short of saying he's bad at drafting. People want extremes. He is either great or he sucks. At this point, weighing all of it, he has been above average. Allen carries that much weight. Above average teams don't usually win the super bowls either he certainly needs to get some more wins.