CincyBillsFan

You are alone as a leper at a clear skin convention.

A lot of the same guys claiming stats is all that matters now were saying over the summer that the ONLY silver lining for Allen in having his top 2 WR's & center gone was that if he had a great year and the Bills won the division he was a lock for the MVP. Funny how that has changed.

NFL officiating is making it tough to watch these games. The Bills game was beyond bad and now I'm watching a Dolphin make a routine tackle get flagged for roughing. The week to week inconsistencies are a problem. Only a moron would actually bet money on these games.

He's not getting a lot of help out there is he.

Coleman is struggling big time.

Actually Allen made 3 MVP worthy plays in the first half that won't appear on the stat sheet. Hopefully the voters will still consider them.

It would be nice to see a Bills WR make a great catch on a spectacular throw.

Acho plays two different roles in his announcing. In one he's a devils advocate on the show stirring things up. At other times I've watched his analysis of plays on twitter and he's quite good with the details - right up there with a Baldy & Greg Cossell.

And it's a good point to make. Allen has already played a home game in a snowstorm and in bitter cold. Today is likely to add high winds & rain. That's 3 games where you just won't be seeing 75% completion %, 350 yards and 4 TD.s. This is why statistics are only a part of the assessment. Year in and year out Allen will always be at a big disadvantage late in the season because of the weather.

So for those folks terrified at maybe playing the Bengals the Steelers need to win their game to win their division. And given the fact that NO team wants to go into the playoffs riding a 4 game losing streak it will be a tall order for the Bengal's to go into Pittsburgh and get the win.

All of the above. To be fair to McD and the Bills they've bought into the concept of load management. The problem is that this concept is still evolving for the NFL and involves one of the most dangerous things you can do in football before a game - assume your opponent sucks and plan accordingly. The Bills would say that while it was stressful at the end they got it right against NE.

Jackson has won the same number of MVP's as Mahomes while Burrow, Stafford & Allen have yet to win one. There is no reasonable argument that can be made claiming Jackson is in any way "underappreciated". It's ridiculous on its face.

I could be wrong but it just doesn't have the same vibe. The Jets aren't playing for their coach or Rogers and the Bills were coming off an intense 4 game stretch of games. A let down against a bad team on paper was bound to happen and it did - last week. I would be surprised and dismayed if McD didn't have them ready fr this game. I also think the Bills will be focused and business like in dealing with the Jets. After all last weeks game was played with the Bills playoff positioning still a bit fuzzy, this week it's clear as glass - beat the Jets, lock up the #2 seed and have an unofficial bye the next week.

Also last week was NE's Super Bowl. After they got up 14 - 0 the Bills went on a 24 - 0 tear for about two and a half quarters.

The Giants were dumb enough to let Barkley go to the Eagles so who knows? But even the Jets can't be that stupid.................right?

And if it doesn't happen I have no doubt that Allen SHOULD be the MVP.

IMO the door was closed after Allen's play in the 4 game stretch against the Chiefs, 49's, Rams & Lions. The ONLY thing IMO that could knock Allen from the top of the MVP hill versus Jackson would be for the Bills to lose the next 2 games and finish behind Baltimore for the #2 seed.

We'll ave to agree to disagree here. Average games against NE & NY that the Bills still win should in no way cancel out the clear fact that Allen has better met the criteria of MVP then Jackson has. And don't be quite so quick to dismiss the "conspiracy" angles here - there is a new thread that just liked to an article that lays out why the author believes there is a racial element in play here. It's regrettable that such a thing has to pop up over this award but it's hard to argue against the articles evidence which IMO is overwhelming.

And why should Allen playing "average" against NE cancel out his two previous otherworldly games against division leaders Detroit & LA on the road? Or how about the 2 games Allen played before those ones beating the Chiefs & 49's? I mean I refuse to believe that those voting for the MVP would be so stupid and ignorant as to assign any special meaning to Allen's average day in a win over NE. So IMO any voter using the excuse that Allen's game against NE cost him is in fact lying and using that excuse as a smokescreen to hide their true reasons for not wanting Allen as the MVP. I don't pretend to know what their motivations are but they're not based on any description of the MVP that I have seen.

He should play a couple of series throwing check downs and handing the ball off to stay sharp and keep his consecutive game starting streak active. But by the end of the 1st quarter he should be on the bench.

Judas Priest, another day on 2BD where people arguing that Allen deserves the MVP over Jackson are called "homers".

The only "lack of awareness" I see on this board is your post here. You're on a Bills message board complaining that Bills Fans are mean to other QB's. Talk about BLIND.

I think it's fair to say that Jackson & Henry lift each other up.

Unfortunately this piece of garbage is typical of the morons that pass themselves off as NFL "expert" talking heads. It's poorly researched contradicting what Allen just said while at the same time slandering who Allen is as a QB.

So this morning I'm listening to ESPN radio's take on yesterday's game and the real smart "expert" NFL hosts are drooling all over Jackson and his remarkable 69 - 24 regular season record! On and on they went and they said that only Mahomes can boast about that sort of regular season record. The talk show lady "expert" threw out Josh Allen & Joe Burrow as examples of Jackson's peers who haven't come close to Jackson's regular season numbers. And all I could think of was this post. And remember folks these are the type of people voting for the MVP.