CincyBillsFan

Allen had an uneven first half - at times playing great and at other times making bad mistakes. The Bills moved up and down the field thanks to Allen's play. If you're going to call out his mistakes - missing Diggs on the deep ball was the worst one - then at least acknowledge that a dropped TD pass by Cook and the refs not calling 2 obvious penalties completely altered how Allen's first half went. Allen had a fantastic 4th quarter which won the game with a lot of help from Harty's punt return. In my experience it's better for a QB to play great and not make mistakes in the 4th quarter then the 1st quarter. It's laughable to say that the Bills D was the team MVP. They have overcome a lot of injuries and McD has them playing great right now but that doesn't alter the fact that they could not hold the lead in the last 2 minutes of 3 of the Bills losses. Allen is the Bill's MVP for at least the 4th straight year.

Objectively there isn't a whole lot of objectivity in your post. Did the Bills lose either fumble? No. And what about rushing stats? They suddenly don't count for dual threat QB's like Allen?

BTW did you actually watch the game? Yes the D played great particularly in the 2nd half. But one of the things that enabled the D to play so well was that the Bill's O controlled the TOP over Miami by a ridiculous 38:07 to 21:53 minutes. The Dolphins ran only 48 plays to the Bills 77. This is a stat that contributed a great deal to the Bills winning and Allen had a lot to do wit it.

Dude!?!

I agree. My problem i with the over the top attacks on Allen by some on 2BD. IMO these are two entirely different things. And Allen and the team has already played as close to a perfect game as possible - the 2021 playoff win over New England.

When you lead the Bills to 4 consecutive division titles, which ties the best the Bills have EVER done throughout their 60+ years of existence, you deserve to get some slack from your fan base. And by and large the vast majority of the Bills fan base understands the Josh "freaking" Allen experience. In fact I suspect that only a tiny fraction of the fan base criticizes Allen in the over the top fashion some 2BD posters do.

That's a misleading take on what Allen was saying IMO. Allen has always accepted the lions share of the blame for anything that goes wrong with the O. It's one of the things that makes him great and a generational talent. But Allen being hard on himself is not the same things as "fans" attacking him over every mistake. Are you happy the Bills won? Because the Bills won - FACT.

Bizarre thinking is all I can say. Allen is the primary reason the Bills have won 4 straight division titles. And on any rational list of what limits the Bills from winning a SB Allen's play would not make the top 10.

Bingo. On the replay there were only 2 Bills receivers in the end zone and they were blanketed. They both were at opposite sides meaning the middle of the field was opening up. Allen had to choose between getting the ball to the target at the 1 and hoping he gets in, throwing the ball away or taking a sack which also would have ran the clock out. I think he made the right choice and throw and that hit should have been flagged. Cowherd made a great point tonight in saying that 2 terrible non calls by the officials in the 1st half - the non PI call on the first drive and the failure to call the helmet hit at the end of the 2nd quarter - cost the Bills at least 10 points. How differently would we be talking about Allen's first half if we get those points or if Cook catches a perfectly thrown TD pass to him?

Prescott also made his bid today with 4 TD's. The reality is while Jackson is likely to win MVP this might be the closest race we've seen in a while with 4 or 5 guys ALL getting appreciable votes.

I am. Or maybe it was on both players as Allen thought Davis was going to settle down where he was and Davis thought Allen would wait until he broke open over the middle. But as is being discussed on another thread this miscommunication seems to happen almost exclusively between Davis and Allen. Allen threw the ball low because he saw that Davis had leverage on the DB who was behind him.

But these misses seem to happen most often with Davis. I thought that the passing game looked a lot less frenzied and much more efficient after he went out of the game. Now whether this was the result of Allen settling down or that Davis is a bit of a lose cannon on pass play patterns is unknown. One thing I will say is on Shakir's long run after the WR screen Davis threw a hell of a block to spring him.

I would say no but it's a very fair question. He had a great game against Dallas but has struggled big time the last 2 games.

Diggs had a nice bounce back game and Kincaid has not hit the rookie wall.

I think it was a freeby. When you have D holding they add it the end of a run but not a pass.

They added the 5 yards to the end of Allen's run.

Judas Priest a guy starts a celebratory thread pointing out that the Allen haters were out in force tonight and look at all the bashing Allen is taking in this thread as a result. It's mind numbing. And don't tell me about "objectivity". Allen's play was not nearly as bad as some are claiming through the first 3 quarters. Where is your objectivity then? Cook drops a perfectly thrown TD by Allen late in the 1sthalf and you call Allen out? Sorry but this is what you get with Allen. Hoping and wishing that he'll play like a lion never making mistakes as a result of playing with a lions aggressiveness is like believing in the tooth fairy. The results on the field VINDICATE Allen's play: * 5 straight seasons with 10 or more wins * 4 straight seasons with 11 or ore wins * 4 straight division titles. * One trip to the AFC Championship and what shoudl have been a Super Bowl trip through no fault of Allen. Look you may not believe this but I was yelling and cursing Allen multiple times through the 1st 3 quarters in response to his couple of bad plays. That's only natural. The biggest Allen homers like me were mad as hell at his missing Diggs and that 2nd INT. What I don't do is run to 2BD and post crap bashing Allen over and over again in real time as he struggles. I DO question what kind of "objective" fans do that.

* The refs missed as blatant a PI as you will see near the goal line on the Bills first drive. If called it's first and goal at the 2, no INT and we go up 7 - 0. * IMO and I think the analysts will agree is that Davis was the cause of the 1st INT. He had body leverage on that DB and Allen put the pass low where Davis should have gone down and caught it for the TD. Instead Davis turned his back to Allen and breaks inside after Allen has thrown the ball. * The two bad throws by Allen doing the first 3 quarters was the 2nd INT (thought Davis was again near the play) and missing Diggs on the long shot that would have been a walk in TD. That is hardly the reason we were losing after 3 quarters. * Cook dropped a perfectly thrown Allen pass that should have tied the game up right before half. * The Allen throw to the RB that as stopped at the one was a sold throw and a great play made by the defender. Watch a replay and you will see we had only ,two receivers in the end zone. Should Allen have waited a second until the RB was IN the end zone? Maybe but a sack would have been just as bad. * Sorry but Allen's lost fumble after getting sacked was simply the inevitable result of allowing DT's free runs right up the gut. Torrense has really struggled the last couple of games and played terrible tonight.

Over 400 yards of total offense and 2 TD's including the game winner. It was Allen converting all those first downs that kept the Miami O off the field, protected our D and left them fresh and energized to close out the game. Allen was magnificent tonight.

The Josh "freaking" Allen experience. My goodness. And think about the 3 guys who contributed so much to this win - Rapp, Sherfield and Harty - man it was unbelievable.

I'm watching the game and the first INT was 100% on Davis - watch the replay. The 2nd INT was on Allen but as usual Davis was in the vicinity. The 2nd Allen TD was dropped by Cook. That is Cooks THIRD dropped easy TD catch this season. THIRD!

You should what they just called a PF in the Cowboys/Commanders game! The NFL has a BIG ref problem. Cowboys are doing their best to pad Dak's stats so he can steal the MVP from Jackson. Up 35 - 10 midway through the 4th quarter Prescott is still in the game throwing passes to the end zone!

Who cares what anonymous online posters have to say about Allen. Hell I don't care what the NFL talking heads have to say about Allen I care even less about what morons on other message boards think. And yes anyone who says Allen "chokes" or is a "TO machine in big moments" is a moron. Can we all agree that playoff games are "big moments" and do these stats from his 8 playoff games look like "choking" to any reasonable person? Passing: 2334 yards; 64% completion; 17 TD's; 4 INT's; rating = 99.6 Rushing: 417 yards; 6.6 yards per carry; 3 TD's; 1 lost fumble Receiving: 1 catch; 16 yards; 1 TD Total yards = 2767; 346 yards/game; 21 TD's & 5 TO's. As for regular season "big moments", if your QB is choking in these games you don't have 5 straight 10 or more win seasons, 4 straight playoff trips; & 3 straight division titles with more to hopefully come tonight. This narrative about Allen is wrong. Period end of sentence.

Allen doesn't have to "rewrite the narrative of his career" all he has to do is add to it. That narrative is already partially written and it includes: * The first elite Bills QB since Jim Kelly. * The QB that ended the Bills sentence to football purgatory with a bang leading them to 5 straight 10 win or more seasons; 4 straight playoff appearances; 3 straight division titles and a trip to the conference championship. * The QB that led the Bills to their 1st playoff win in 25 years. * The QB that had arguably 2 of the best back to back playoff performances in NFL history. * The QB that has already broke numerous NFL records including most TD's through their first 6 years and the only NFL QB to total 40 or more TD's in 4 straight seasons. * Arguably the most physically gifted QB in NFL history. And for you negative Nancy's: * An at times an overly aggressive QB who is prone to TO's.

The Bengals haven't been all that nuanced in building their roster since Taylor became coach in 2019. He's an offensive guy and used his first two picks take offensive players in 2019, 2020 & 2021. In 2019 they took an OT in round 1 (11th pick) & a TE in round 2. In 2020 they took a QB in round 1 (1st pick of the draft) and a WR with the 1st pick in the 2nd round. In 2021 they took a WR in the 1st round (5th pick) and an OT in the 2nd round. So for his first 3 drafts Taylor took offense in the 1st two rounds (11, 1, 5). That is an enormous investment in draft capitol for the offense. In 2022 & 2023, the Bengals invested heavily in FA to boost their O line with four major signings over the two years.