Inigo Montoya

Another Josh Allen OC gets a HC job. Josh is going to have a head coaching tree as big as Parcells when it's all said and done.

The offense is incredible. How you manage to score 34 points with 3 turnovers and 7 sacks is ridiculous. If the Bills can limit the mistakes they could score 50. It's finding that balance between pushing it to score and pushing it too hard and making mistakes that is the issue right now.

Yes. I think Skylar Thompson is the next Josh Allen. 😇

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/710/lamar-jackson NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Ravens "haven't changed their stance" on QB Lamar Jackson and plan to begin negotiating a long-term deal in the offseason. The Ravens were never close to extending Jackson last offseason, leading to Jackson playing out his $23 million fifth-year option. That backfired for Jackson, who finished the year injured for the second straight season. Jackson is asking for Deshaun Watson money, a fully guaranteed deal that would make him one of the league's highest paid quarterbacks. The Ravens are "still all-in" on Jackson and plan to franchise him for 2023 if they can't work out a long-term extension.

Both perfectly valid points. My larger point is that Lamar rolled the dice this year hoping that he would get a better contract out of it and he is now in a situation where the best case scenario is that he is not available for a third of the season and the playoffs because of another injury, and worse case scenario, there are rumblings that he might be playing the Ravens because of his contract situation. Neither one is good look for him. You hear about players betting on themselves and winning like Kirk Cousins did. I think Lamar's situation is an example of a player betting on himself and losing that bet. 🍻

I like it. But then again, I also like circus peanuts...

I think it's pretty clear he lost. His problem with the contract the Ravens offered wasn't the amount of the contract, it was the amount of guaranteed money. He wanted a D. Watson contract that was 100% guaranteed. Suffering a injury and missing a third of the season including the playoffs, particularly when there is a lot of static that he really isn't that injured and may be playing games with the Ravens, is going to make a team want to give him less guaranteed money not more. Will someone end up giving him a big contract? Yep. Will it have more guaranteed money than the Ravens offered him? Probably not after this fiasco. 🍻

I remember a rookie Josh Allen who hadn't won a NFL football game yet going into Minnesota against a good Vikings team in his first road start and beating them 27-6. I don't take any game for granted.

Lamar is 6 weeks out from an injury that was originally thought to be a 1 or 2 week injury. I think it's fair to wonder what's going on. I think the entire league is wondering what's going on with him. Lamar gambled on himself this season and he lost. He certainly hasn't done anything that is going to make him more money whenever and wherever he signs his next contract.

I'm glad for Tua's sake. With rumors of Sean Payton flying around there must be a lot of pressure on McDaniels to win this game. I was worried he was going to try to throw Tua out there again like in the first Bills / Phins game.

Curious take. Why wouldn't I love Beasley? Not 20 years ago, but just last season the guy had 82 catches out of the slot for 693 yards on this team. 37 of those completions were for 1st downs. Is there anyone on our roster playing the slot who has anywhere near that production this year? He was active for 2 games for TB and had 4 catches on 5 targets and then decided he didn't want to play with Tom Terrific anymore. I see zero evidence that he can't help this team by stepping into our woefully underperforming slot position. Now that we are in the playoffs and they can call up practice squad players as often as they want, I suspect we're going to see a lot more of Beasley during this playoff run. If you're still dragging an anchor around over his vaccine stance then you, respectfully, need to get over it.

1. Playoff Josh returns 2. Beasley becomes the primary slot receiver and starts moving the sticks again 3. Dorsey unveils the Nuclear Nyheim package 4 . Ike Boettger nudges Saffold out of the starting lineup solidifying the O-line 5. Micah Hyde returns to the field 6. Tre White continues to regain his pre-injury form 7. James Cook is used more in the short passing game and becomes a YAC god 8. We have one rumbling bumbling stumbling defensive lineman TD along the way 9. We beat the Cowboys in Super Bowl LVII exorcising all kinds of demons 10. Kim Pegula and Damar Hamlin are well enough to enjoy the ride

Can't argue that point, you're right! 😄

I think some QBs are coach killers like Mayfield and Murray. Other QBs are meal tickets and I think that's what Josh is. If Dorsey gets the Panthers HC job I think Joe Brady will step in as OC and get another HC position the following year after looking great with Josh under center. The Bills OC position will be the hottest non- head coaching job in the league as long as Josh is there.

I don't know how I missed that... Thanks 🍻

I agree to a point but I think Josh ran Daboll's offense a little more by the book even during Josh's 4th season when he had already proven his ability to make off schedule plays. Like some have mentioned above, I think there are less lay ups for Josh in Dorsey's offense. Josh made a living throwing those quick WR slants and slot receiver come back routes under Daboll. Those just don't seem to be in the playbook anymore. Most of the pre-snap motion, jet sweeps, and trickeration is gone too. I've heard that defenders are calling out the plays when the Bills offense lines up and I wonder if Dorsey's play calling is predictable but the offense is being saved by Josh's unpredictability. 🍻

No argument there, the question I wonder about is what the breakdown is between schedule vs off schedule for the Bills. I would guess the Bills have a higher percentage of off schedule plays than anyone. The incredible thing is that it is so successful. There is a famous line from a German general during WWII when asked why it was so hard to fight the American army. He said that all warfare is chaos and the American army practices chaos on a daily basis. That's how I see the Bills offense with Allen.

Thank you for your valuable contribution to the conversation. 🙂

I wonder what percentage of successful plays are a result of Dorsey's play design and call versus Josh going off-script and just making something happen? With the offensive line play this year Josh hasn't had many opportunities to sit in the pocket and go through his reads and deliver the ball. There seems to be very few quick hitters called by Dorsey for Josh. On just about every snap some defender seems to come clean forcing Josh out of the pocket and into a scramble drill. This season there are so many examples of Josh making something happen when the called play goes sideways. Those points from off schedule Josh ad libs are probably the difference in a half dozen victories this year. The Knox and Brown TDs this week were Josh doing Josh things. When you also factor in the yardage and drive saving first downs from Josh making something happen with his legs, I think Josh is more often than not the on-field de facto OC. Mahomes can definitely pull a rabbit out of his hat when he has to, but it seems like that the KC pass offense runs through Andy Reid 95% of the time. I would guess the Bills are closer to 50%. There isn't another QB in the league who pulls their OC's fat out of the fire more often than Josh does. Dorsey is getting an interview for the Panthers head coaching vacancy. If Dorsey gets that job he needs to buy Josh a Rolex.

I think you're on to something. And just to continue the charade of being injured, Josh had the medical trainers heavily wrap that ankle in tape before he went back out for the next series. That Josh Allen is a cheeky monkey!

Hutchinson did injure Allen on that mickey mouse stunt. Allen went to the sidelines limping and had his ankle taped up. The video is irrefutable, it shows Hutchinson stop his roll, look to see where Allen was standing, and then launch himself into anther roll into Allen's legs. Not much of a gray area when you look at the video. Should have been a penalty, should be a fine. Dirty play.

Your post goes to the very heart of being a Bills fan, or a fan of any team that struggles for a long time. Is the emotional currency invested in it ever going to pay off in any positive way? One of my favorite books is called "The Prophet". It was written by a Lebanese man named Khalil Gibran and published in 1923. Each chapter of the book consists of a group of people asking the Prophet about a different topic like marriage, children, work, and death and then the Prophet talks about each of them. There is a chapter about Joy and Sorrow that I have thought of a thousand times over the years that I've been a Bills' fan Here is a part of what the Prophet says about Joy and Sorrow; Then a woman said, Speak to us of Joy and Sorrow. And he answered: Your joy is your sorrow unmasked. And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears. And how else can it be? The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain. I have suffered a lot of sorrow being a Bills fan. I'm 53 and born into a diehard Bills family. We buried my father in his favorite Bills sweatshirt. Like many here I've lived through all the lows that come with following this team. I've paid my dues and then some. I have always hoped that because of all the pain I suffered rooting for this team over the years, that someday, maybe just one season, I would finally experience what it's like to see my team win it all. I know if that season ever happens and I get to see my Bills win a Super Bowl, my joy and happiness will be so much greater than the fans who didn't suffer through what I have. It will mean more to me than the fair weather fans who didn't pay their dues like I did. Maybe I will never see them win it all, but if I do, my joy will be all the greater because of the sorrow I have endured these many years to get there.

Fin Heaven is a five alarm fire right now. They want to fire the owner, fire the GM, fire the coach, fire half the players, fire the ball boy. One poster said the Phins can't even cheat right and they lost two draft picks because of it. The entire Phin's Nation is on tilt. They're wearing white after Labor Day and combining plaids and stripes. They're fighting a land war in Asia. They're taking wooden nickels. They're crying over spilt milk. They're cutting tags off mattresses. They're starving a cold and stuffing a fever. They're paying $20,000 for Taylor Swift tickets. They're eating gas station sushi. They're running with scissors. They're smoking with their oxygen on. One of them just killed John Wick's dog. It's Biblical. Don't take my word for it..... https://finheaven.com/threads/phins-pats-post-game.376527/ https://finheaven.com/threads/fire-mike-mcdaniels.376520/ https://finheaven.com/threads/players-that-absolutely-need-to-be-gone-next-season.376526/

This Cincy game is one of the most important of the regular season. I wonder if Dorsey has been working on these wheel route / screens in practice getting ready to uncork them in a game where the offense is going to have to score 30+ to win?

Nice find OP, thanks for sharing. The run game certainly came alive last week. I hope it was something the Bills were doing better and not something the Bears were doing badly.