Inigo Montoya

Fair point BD51, but I think the Bills end up carrying seven WRs this season because both Shorter and Shavers are apparently special teams phenoms and should make the game day roster that way. Unlike Taiwan Jones and Kumerow who were special team guys who offered nothing on offense, I think the Bills hope these guys can do both. Throw Knox and Kincaid out there as well and the pass catchers are much bigger this year.

Do I need to have stats to make that point? I think it's pretty well understood that the refs try to "let them play" during the postseason. I apologize if my OP hasn't lived up to the rigid scientific standards you demand from a TBD post. I'll be sure to look for the reams of verified statistical analysis you provide the next time you offer an opinion here. 🍻

The Bills have been dominant in the regular season but haven't had the same success in the playoffs. One factor that has contributed to those frustrations is that playoff games are officiated differently. The refs don't call defensive holding at the line of scrimmage like they do in the regular season. DBs know they can mug at the snap and get away with it. The Bills pass catchers were on the small size and more vulnerable to getting held by DBs playing press. I think Beane made a deliberate decision to bring in bigger bodied pass catchers who can get off the line of scrimmage even when DBs are grabbing them. If your team's 178 lb nickleback wants to try and hold our new 246 lb slot guy, or our new 6'4" 229 lb receiver, go ahead and take your chances. Here are the new pass catchers on the 2023 roster as of today Trent Sherfield- 6'1" 219 FA Deonte Harty- 5'6" 170 FA Dalton Kincaid- 6'4" 246 Rookie 1st rd Justin Shorter- 6'4" 229 Rookie 5th rd Tyrell Shavers- 6'4" 211 Rookie UDFA Jalen Wayne- 6'2" 207 Rookie UDFA We still have Gabe Davis who's 6'2" 210 and Dawson Knox at 6'4" 254. They also have a WR on the PS that they've been developing, Dezmon Patmon, who is 6'4" and 225. All together, that's a big group of pass catchers. You'll have Diggs, Harty, and Shakir-- and every other Bills' WR is going to be big. Beane is signing receivers who can fight through the DB's jam / holding and get out into their route. Hopefully this change in roster philosophy will lead to more success in the passing game when it matters the most.

Beane's scouts seem to do great finding late round gems. Time will tell. I'm an optimist. (You have to be if you're a Bills fan)

I love it! I hope Herbert goes next and then Bengals are on the hook for $60 million a year for Burrow.

The entire NFL is waiting for Lamar's publicist / mom to post the contract numbers on her Facebook page.

After stoically enduring two decades of slings and arrows from the worst fan base in professional sports, I do admit to feeling a small amount of pleasure when I see Patriot fans despairing as they find their team deep in the basement of the AFCE with no realistic prospects to turn things around anytime soon. It was bad enough for them watching Josh Allen steal their lunch money, but now they find themselves in a division with the Jets and Dolphins firmly entrenched above them as well. The Pats finished below .500 last year at 8 - 9. This year Vegas has their over under win total at 7.5. I don't think it would surprise anyone if they they lose every AFCE game this season. In a QB driven league they have a fair to middling game manager under center. They will continue to win enough games to avoid the very top of the draft where they can draft a marquee QB prospect. Gone are the years when great vets would take a discount to come to New England to try to win a ring with Tom and Belichick. Now there is a diminishing Belichick with no Tom and zero chance to win a championship. Belichick is not adapting to the modern game and didn't even have an OC last year during Mac Jones' sophomore season to help him develop. Reports are that those two are on the outs after Mac reached out to his Alabama coaches for help last season behind Bill's back. Bill is great friends with Nick Saban and you know Bill feels humiliated with his QB going behind his back to ask Saban for advice. As a long suffering Bills fan, I won't wish any active evil on the Patriots, but I will take some modicum of pleasure in watching them flail and flounder for the next few seasons as Belichick slowly fades away taking the franchise and their horrible fans down with him. Pats fans had an incredible run and many believed that riding atop the AFCE and NFL was their birthright. Well, the wheel turns and the Pats are now AFCE and NFL basement dwellers, and it couldn't have happened to a nicer group of people.

I wasn't talking about him as a teammate. Keep reading the thread and you'll find my response to your question. 🍻

This makes them better right now, no doubt about it. The only way this move is a win for them is if they win a Super Bowl this year. Anything less and they have busted their cap and traded away the draft capital needed to start the rebuild. They will win too many games to be selecting near the top of the draft where the best QB prospects will go. If they want to trade up they will mortgage even more of their future to do so. This is the ultimate win now move. Joe Douglas is rolling the dice.

But you're the one who keeps bringing it up? I think you should start a thread on it since you felt the need to stalk me on the message board and bring it back up in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with it. OCD maybe? Or maybe you should just cut back on the day drinking, get a dog, and take a break from the keyboard for awhile.

Rodgers and the Pack loved each other so much they we're willing to do anything to get rid of each other??? Rodgers' public statements are the equivalent of your kid telling you how much he loves his sister to your face while pulling her hair behind your back. Rodgers isn't stupid enough to go on tv and submarine the coach and GM. That work is done behind the scenes. The truth will start to come out now that the deal is done and then we'll see who knows what they're talking about.

If he ends up in KC, yep.

Of course his fellow players loved him. He spent all of his time and energy undermining the head coach and GM. He poisoned the well in Green Bay with it. He created an us versus them atmosphere in Green Bay between the players and the organization. The entire organization suffered for it. There is more than one type of locker room cancer.

They are going to pay a locker room cancer and man who was 90% sure he was going to retire two months ago $50mm and burn some serious draft capital for the privilege. It could work out but I have my doubts. Time will tell. I am certain of one thing though, if this thing goes sideways it is going to be must see tv!

I think this backfires and the Jets rue the day this trade was made.

If the Derrick Henry rumors are true I think you can take Philly out of the mix. I’m not real excited to see Robinson lining up behind Burrow either.

No one puts Bijon Robinson and Edwards-Helaire in the same sentence. That’s comparing apples and toaster ovens. The Bills have an elite QB who does throw the ball 40 times a game and it’s obviously not been enough to win a championship. Its easy to ignore the run game and drop everyone into coverage when there’s an average RB behind Allen or Mahomes. Put Robinson back behind them and now you’ve gotta make a hard choice as a defense. A smart QB, like Josh and Mahomes will audible every time to take advantage of the mismatch the defense gives them. The Bills can field that advantage, or the Chiefs can field that advantage. I know where I stand on that choice. I hope the Texans draft him with one of their two first rounders and save us all from this and then the Bills can grab the two best O-linemen left on the board in the first two rounds.

@BADOLBILZ gave me an eyeroll emoji for my post above. No reason why I’m wrong, of course, just an eye roll. Andy Reid, best offensive coach in the NFL Mahomes top 2 QB in the NFL Travis Kelce top TE in the NFL 2nd best O-line in the NFL And then you add what is likely to be the top three down RB in the NFL to that offense? The Chiefs offense would be a point scoring juggernaut and Josh can stand on his head all game long and we’re not keeping up with them score for score. Where am I wrong here? What do the Bills add in this draft on offense to keep up with that?

All I know is the the prospect of Andy Reid with Mahomes, Kelce, and Bijon Robinson would drive a stake through the heart of the Bills' Super Bowl aspirations for years. It would be an unstoppable offense. KC getting Robinson at pick 31 would be disgusting. If Bijon Robinson is there at pick 27, the Bills need to draft him. Don't even answer the phone. Turn in the card. If he ends up in Andy Reid's offense we're done.

Bass-o-matic! Best pick of the Bills 2020 draft class.

The Bills ran 42 passing plays vs the Bengals. Josh was sacked once and hit 8 times by the defense during those plays. That equates to Josh getting hit more than once every five drop backs. Josh also ran the ball on another 8 plays and took real shots getting tackled on many of them. Allen paid the price all day long for the horrific O-line play. Dorsey didn't help him any either. Josh was taking a beating all game long and then he gets called out by Diggs? Diggs standing there screaming in Allen's face in front of the cameras and his team mates. And Allen sat there and took it without saying a word. That happened during the game, not after the game. Diggs doesn't have a problem doing a post game presser when he goes 8 for 125 and a TD does he? After the worst loss of the season he let Josh go out there by himself and take the heat. How many questions did Allen get asked about Diggs screaming at him in the post game presser? How did Allen handle those questions? In a manner befitting someone with a "C" on his uniform. The complete opposite of how Diggs carried himself that day and how he has continued to act this post season. Now he's a no show for the voluntary work outs. There's some leadership for you. I'm still glad Diggs is on the roster and I hope they can put this behind them, but don't think for a minute that Josh or his team mates will forget it. Diggs was a jerk during the game, and he bailed on the team and Allen afterwards. Doc, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. 🍻

Disagree. I didn't see Diggs sitting next to Josh in the post game taking any responsibility for the game. No one else on the team ran out of the building like it was on fire afterwards, particularly no one with a "C" on their jersey. I was a sergeant in the airborne infantry. When you have a "brother" who bails on you when the going is tough you don't forget it. You can mend fences and move on, but you don't forget it. Like I said, friendship and loyalty are cheap when things are going good.

I like Diggs but he acted like a jerk at the end of the season. Friendship is cheap when times are good. Leadership is easy when things are going your way. It's when things fall apart that real friends and leaders step up. Diggs bailed on Allen and his team mates after the Bengals game and that was a punk move on his part. That's not how "Josh's brother" and a team captain should act.

I want Beane to grab the two best O-linemen on the board with picks 1 and 2. Give Allen 3+ seconds in a clean pocket and he will dominate with the WRs, TEs, and RBs we have now just like Mahomes did last year with a less than elite receiving corps. Allen is the key, protect him, give him a pocket, give him the time to get through his reads and the offense will be deadly.

I disagree. Look at the Milano concussion. He falls backwards like a limp fish and snaps his head against the ground. Completely avoidable. After the first concussion the next ones happen easier. I agree, the concussion vs the Bengals that knocked him out for good would have been tough to avoid, he got whipped to the ground.