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I have said I dont mind the picks. Just have modest expectations and feel they could have no impact this year or ever. I am speaking more to the reaction to the pick. How much better they are than our current guys. In reality they may not be better than them. Still worth taking a look to see if they are. But if we had jumped up and got one of the top 5 guys that would be a different story. From the tape, reports, combine, etc there is not a lot that screams these guys are better. Which is why they were drafted in the 4th and 6th.

And the year before we could do better than the year before and the year before was the same and on and on. It is always - this new guy has to be better than this old guy.

Exactly. Most people knew nothing about Jefferson, Butler, Addison before we signed them. On another team we would not be talking about them being the best DL. They come hear and clearly they are awesome. It is the nature of being a fan.

The Bills DL and much of its roster are really an example of depth vs star power. A group of players that the talent level doesn't drop much but also does not have the elite level player either. I think the positional groups are all impacted differently here. If I am building a team I want an elite pass rusher and elite WR. The rest of the roster I want the depth approach. Well QB obviously I take the elite QB vs mediocre depth. But OL I want depth and ability to plug and play as they really depend on the unit as a whole. I would make the same argument with the secondary as they must work together and the sum can be better than the parts. LB's I want as many capable bodies as I can find. RB by committee as shown to work. QB, WR and Edge Rusher are much about isolation and winning one on one battles. So 5 Cole Beasley's vs 1 Michael Thomas and a Cole Beasley with a Robert Foster and a Duke Williams wins.

Well you somewhat prove my point in saying "Nobody drafted at 54 or after would be > Diggs, Brown Beasley" We drafted a couple guys that could make the team or could not beat out the likes of Duke, McK, Foster, Roberts. We may not carry 6 WR's if we carry 3 TE's so could end up being Diggs, Brown, Beasley, and only two of Duke, McK, Foster, Roberts, Davis, Hodgins. Duke Williams - He was the Bills most targeted WR in the playoff game. The staff must have some faith in him. Numbers were not off the board but he was still on par with John Brown and better than Beasley in that game. Not sure I would write him off that easily. McD values special teams which is why Roberts stays on this roster. He is the quasi 6th WR. McK is Daboll's gadget guy and #5 WR at this point. Who knows if they keep him. Foster is probably gone regardless of if they drafted anyone. But he did put up good numbers and showed promise. He could wind up elsewhere and find his success again. Who, knows. I do find it funny that when I criticize the Bills WR's the response in the past was how clueless I am and Foster is awesome, Duke is going to be a pro bowler or McD disagrees with you. Now that I say our drafted buys may not beat them out it is those guys suck and no question our 4th and 6th round picks are better.

I agree. I also think these draft picks are easily replaceable. Its funny - I can guarantee that if the Bills did not draft any WR's I would be hearing " relax, we have Duke, Foster, McKenzie, Roberts, Ray Ray and none of the guys available in the draft after the 3rd round were better".

Diggs, Brown, Beasley have had production for multiple years in NFL Roberts and McK both played a a key role on the team for multiple years Foster had 500 yds as a rookie Duke showed flashes and played well in a playoff game That is 7 guys that have legitimately played in the NFL. Only Easley and McCloud fall in the little or no production group. Davis and Hodgins are battling it out with Roberts, McK, Foster, Duke for the final 2-3 sports. With a short training camp it could be an uphill battle. Yes it was a very rich WR draft. That does not mean it trickles down to every single player. The difference was and as we saw there were 5-6 guys worthy of a 1st rounder and another 6-8 worthy of 2nd round picks. Typically there are 2-3 first rounders and maybe another 5-8 worthy of 2nd's. So loaded was in the sense of lots early talent, that does not mean even the 6-7th rounders were better. In total 35 WR were drafted. In 2019 there was 28, in 2018 there was 34, in 2017 it was 32 anke keep going and it has been in the 30+ range for years.

Or they dont make the team and in a year people need to look up their names to remember who those two late round WR's were. Isn't Duke sold as the go get the ball guy? Generally speaking the higher your drafted at any position, the better the player. Obviously doesn't always go that way. But the odds of a 1-3rd rounder making it vs a 4-7th rounder are vastly different. People here about the few late rounders that do well and think its the norm and forget the fact there 10-15 guys that never make it.

Yes - because that is the price paid to get them. How else would I base it? If they took a WR in the 2nd that is them taking a bigger bet on the player. I would call that doubling down. What they did is what teams do in and out every year. WR was one of the weaker units on the team. Everyone single draft "expert" expected the Bills to draft WR's.

Potential weaknesses: QB - Need more from Allen OL - Need better than last year LB - As good as the D was the LB crew is the biggest weakness K - Could be better maybe or maybe not.

I dont think it is that simple. Zay Jones had 399 NCAA receptions - more than that entire list combined. R Foster caught for over 500 yds as an undrafted rookie including 3 100 yd games. Duke was supposedly all world if not for off the field issues. You can dice it up at many ways. At the end of the day I dont think it is unreasonable to call this what it is. Davis and Hodgins are your typical 4-7 round prospects that may or may not have careers in this league.

What makes him better? All of those guys have shown they can be a capable 4th or 5th WR. Not saying they are amazing by any means but just saying Davis is not in the same discussion had we drafted one of the top 5 WR's in the draft and even a step down from a Pittman/Shenault/Higgins caliber player. Something the Bills and teams do in many many drafts. Take a shot at a WR in the 4-7th round.

It is interesting and human nature I guess. Fans tend to overvalue the unknown. Last year Duke was not playing and there was so much talk about how he is the best WR on the roster etc. Now we draft Davis and Hodgins and the Bills have "double-downed" on WR. Reality is neither of these guys could make the roster. Who are they better than? Diggs, Brown, Beasley - No Roberts, Foster, McKenzie - Probably not Williams, McCloud, Easley - Maybe I have no problem with them being drafted where they were. But lets not exaggerate the value here. If they had moved up or drafter guys early - like Higgins, Aiyuk, Pittman etc. Even one of the first 10 WR off the board that would be one thing. But they took the 17th and 30th WR of the draft. These are low risk, maybe the make the team type of picks. Its lower than a free agent signing like a Rashard Higgins, Marquise Lee, Jordan Matthews and if one of those guys were signed would we have a Bills double down thread?

Yes Diggs is good. But I feel like he is being talked about like he is Jerry Rice/Randy Moss/Calvin Johnson. The team is better. But this is a upgrade. Very similar to any team that upgrades its #1 WR. Good yes. But to use your title - game changer...no. Many teams have 3 WR at our quality. Exactly. People are getting ahead of themselves here at acting like we got the best player in the NFL.

No trades, just who would you pick if the draft fell the way it did. 2 - DE Epenesa - Options: RB Dobbins, WR's Jefferson/Mims, LB/DE Uche/Okwara 3 - RB Moss - Options: CB Dantzler, DE Greenard 4 - WR Davis - Options: LB Quarterman, WR AGG/T Johnson, C Biadasz, CB Hall 5 - QB Fromm - Options: DT Murchison, DE Anae, G Muti, S Gilman, WR Peoples-Jones, 6 - K Bass - Options: OT Runyan, LB Weaver, S Brooks/Fuller/Metellus 6 - WR Hodgins - Options: OT Wanogho, WR Hill, RB Benjamin, DE Willekes 7 - CB Jackson - Options: UDFA (CB Guidry, LB Divinity, TE Breeland, CB Bassey, TE Bryant, OT Adams, DE Coe, TE Moss)

We don’t know how much of those guarantees are tied to a signing bonus, so it’s tough to forecast Hill’s annual salary cap hits. And it makes learning how this contract is structured even more fascinating. The Saints often use automatically voided years to spread out salary cap resources, and that could come into play again with Hill (especially considering that the Saints have just over $4 million in 2020 cap space to work with right now).

So $3.5M in cap space and they sign Winston plus give Hill a $15M raise? If this doesn't show you the salary cap is easy to get around...

I don’t expect either wr drafted to make roster. Practice squad or cut.

They are drafting like they are going to the super bowl.

Draft feels blah to me and fully sure how I feel about it. I don’t think any of the picks are major impacts this season. Feels like Bills think they have everything on the roster already so not looking for immediate impact. Don’t like we didn’t add extra early picks with the talent on the board early. Too early to tell but I think teams around us got better than we did.

Shaq ran a 4.7...he runs a 5.04... Shaq ran a 4.7...he runs a 5.04...

Or Dobbins or Mims. But think we can get WR and RB later

Espenesa is my pick

Rams - Baun Phi - Lewis or Chinn

OT - Cleveland, Jones RB - Dobbins, Akers, Moss DE - Espenesa, Okwara LB - Baun, Lewis WR - Mims