MrEpsYtown

At this point I do. I think they are going to hit the reset button there. I like this linebacker class a lot and there are a couple of plug and play guys. If its not Wagner I think its going to be a rookie. I mentioned him a few times, but I really like Anthony Walker as a stopgap, raise the floor. Outside or Wagner and outside shot Walker, I think the next guy is going to be a rookie.

He went to a team that has 2 starting linebackers already and a top reserve. He’s going there to compete for a backup role. That leads me to believe we were not in on him.

No shot. There is zero chance any of these guys on the roster are starting next year. Very begrudgingly, maybe, Dodson has a tiny chance because he has been in the system so long. It’ either Wagner, Anthony Walker, or a draft pick. That’s all that is left unless someone unexpected gets released.

Do you really look at those ratings though? They don’t pass the eye test sorry. I like PFF for some stuff. Their OL grades are hogwash. They mean nothing. Sam Mustipher? Lol really? C’mon

I am ok with the Elliot or Fournette idea now. Those guys aren’t my favorite, but they have something to prove, so you get them when their back is against the wall. They will be at their best. With each passing day the prices get cheaper and more vets will be released. Remember that their priorities don’t always line up with ours.

I had him in that 5 role as a gunner who can make a catch or two Dawkins is so much better than Jonah Williams

Burst, penetration, game of inches, going deep, a ton more…

I think it depends. I want to know if Vance Joseph is running a 4-3 there. If so he needs a 3 tech. I know people want to trade Oliver, not sure who replaces him…but for Juedy I do It.

Yeah they have to make re-signing Landon Dickerson the priority so I get Seumalo gets pushed out. I have no idea why he is still out there. Maybe he’s waiting and wants to return to philly. He was a center in college…jordan Poyers teammate. been a while for him. But I’m sure he can pick it back up. I don’t think he will be cheap

Wagner suitors seem to be drying up a bit.

If he’s there you knock your grandma over to get the podium.

If I were a betting man, which I am not, I think its LB, Edge, WR or TE with a small chance a DT. It doesn’t matter where the offensive weapon comes from as long as there is a plan for him to be on the field. They aren’t going to draft RT in the first round to compete with Spencer Brown. It’s not happening. And they are not drafting a guard. Zero shot.

Just watch some Iowa games on the ESPN app. Guy is just awesome. He plays zone like he has eyes in the back of his head, sheds, fills, pursues, and I see sideline to sideline work despite the assumption “big long white guy can’t run.” He can run and carry the seam. He’s a big stronger version of Fred Warner. He’s a dude. Someone mentioned in another thread, that Campbell is training with Luke Keuchly. In theory, he could come to his pre Draft visit (assuming he has one) and already know the entire playbook. Trenton Simpson is different. Some websites compare him to JOK of the Browns. Simpson is bigger, faster, stronger, and more explosive. He looks like he came out of a lab to play for McDermott. Oozes process too. If you watch his games, last year he was more of a flex nickel edge player. This past year he played in the box as a stack backer, so you see a lot of different skills. I would be ecstatic with either honestly. Simpson hits like a fright train, speed, all over the field and he is an awesome blitzer. As this process continues, because these guys are such amazing, incredibly smart young men, they are going to rise up draft boards.

I agree, but If the invest fails you can’t just keep beating your head against the wall, you have to reinvest and try something else. Those failed draft picks are a sunk cost. It sucks, but its a crapshoot. Total 100% sneaky need. They ain’t drafting a guard in the first round I can tell you that.

The weird thing with the Chiefs and Drue Tranquill is they have Bolton, Gay and Chenal, so that make 4 guys on the roster better than Dodson/Bernard. One of them isn’t going to play much. It’s weird.

All good man. I saw some good things from Bernard in the Jets game. A few rookie mistakes as well. I know this, he is not a mike. Does he ever become serviceable? Yeah maybe. If McDermott starts running more of the 4-3 under stuff I could see Bernard being the Shaq Thompson role. Milano is Thomas Davis. We are still missing the Kuechly role. Right now its really just Wagner or draft, or maybe somebody bets cut. I love Jack Campbell, Trenton Simpson is more their flavor, but we shall see.

Yeah I get ya. I just, dont want it to turn into a Tremaine bashing post, but all I heard was that he took away the middle of the field. But he didn’t. At all. Ever. He was terrible at that. And just because he is tall or whatever doesn’t mean he did those things. Maybe we can get Dikembe Mutumbo to stand at Mike y’know. And I am being half facetious, and half kinda factual. So I think there could be some dropoff in play there, but with Hyde back and hopefully a better pass rush, we don’t get exposed in that area.

So wait, the middle of the field was open last year? And this year it will be worse? This is all very confusing. Obviously they were not interested in Tranquill.

I would add a list of ESPN's top 50 with their rankings...because I want to see who we are passing on at other positions to reach for need. I know people get angry, but I believe DL is a need. Edge and interior. We lost last year because those guys could not get to the QB. We 100% need to continue to add weapons to the offense and add depth to the offensive line, but if we can't get to the QB, we can't win the whole thing.

Good call Happy

Yeah once Epps and those other safeties were taking deals in the 2/12 range, I was saying Jordan was going to get something in the range of 6-8 per for 2-3 years. I was told I was wrong because he was "so much better," but it made sense to me at the time, so here we are. Did I think it would be with us? No, I did not. End of the day, that's fair market value, and to me, that is all you can ask for from a player/team perspective. It works for all parties.

I totally agree. It's not like guards don't make anything as well. I think it's a pride thing. IMO, with his skill set and intelligence he could be one of the best centers in the league. Kelce makes 14 million a year. He will never be a 23 million-a-year left tackle. If he stays at LT he will be a depth guy like James Hurst making 5-6 million, or out of the league.

Well for whatever reason, they didn't think he could.

Yep makes sense. But Deebo is good, so he has a leg to stand on. Jonah sucks. He needs to move off the position or he will never make any money.

If you listen closely to what Beane says, they have "receiver roles." Right or wrong, it's what he says. Diggs is 1 - outside Davis is 2- outside Shakir is 3 (this is designated for their slot position) Harty is 4 (He said specifically that what they look for in a 4 is a guy who plays inside and out. I think Harty gets more snaps than Shakir, but he is the "4" role...imo this was like Emmanuel Sanders' role for a bit) Their 5 is a receiver who is also a gunner. This has been Jake Kumerow since 2021. Before it was Andre Holmes, Brandon Tate, Damari Scott. If they don't bring back Kumerow, Mack Hollins or Justin Watson makes sense to me. Can play outside as well The 6 is the depth guy who probably doesn't dress on game day. So essentially, imo, any addition going forward is either taking Davis' or Shakir's job. This structure, right or wrong, is why Isaiah Hodgins is gone. They didn't think he was better than the slots we had, and he couldn't play outside or on special teams.