MrEpsYtown

Good call Happy

Yeah once Epps and those other safeties were taking deals in the 2/12 range, I was saying Jordan was going to get something in the range of 6-8 per for 2-3 years. I was told I was wrong because he was "so much better," but it made sense to me at the time, so here we are. Did I think it would be with us? No, I did not. End of the day, that's fair market value, and to me, that is all you can ask for from a player/team perspective. It works for all parties.

I totally agree. It's not like guards don't make anything as well. I think it's a pride thing. IMO, with his skill set and intelligence he could be one of the best centers in the league. Kelce makes 14 million a year. He will never be a 23 million-a-year left tackle. If he stays at LT he will be a depth guy like James Hurst making 5-6 million, or out of the league.

Well for whatever reason, they didn't think he could.

Yep makes sense. But Deebo is good, so he has a leg to stand on. Jonah sucks. He needs to move off the position or he will never make any money.

If you listen closely to what Beane says, they have "receiver roles." Right or wrong, it's what he says. Diggs is 1 - outside Davis is 2- outside Shakir is 3 (this is designated for their slot position) Harty is 4 (He said specifically that what they look for in a 4 is a guy who plays inside and out. I think Harty gets more snaps than Shakir, but he is the "4" role...imo this was like Emmanuel Sanders' role for a bit) Their 5 is a receiver who is also a gunner. This has been Jake Kumerow since 2021. Before it was Andre Holmes, Brandon Tate, Damari Scott. If they don't bring back Kumerow, Mack Hollins or Justin Watson makes sense to me. Can play outside as well The 6 is the depth guy who probably doesn't dress on game day. So essentially, imo, any addition going forward is either taking Davis' or Shakir's job. This structure, right or wrong, is why Isaiah Hodgins is gone. They didn't think he was better than the slots we had, and he couldn't play outside or on special teams.

Little interesting tidbit, In 2019 we made that horrible decision to trade up for Cody Ford. We traded up to pick 38. The Bengals had pick 42 and traded down after that. They were probably targeting him and that's why we made that boneheaded decision to move up. It truly is a crapshoot.

I believe it was "with a broken freakin neck"

And I do these mock drafts for fun, just to kind of see how things go. I know it's not any kind of scientific method, but it is interesting. Sometimes Zay Flowers or one of the other WR falls. Mostly it's Flowers or Addison. Sometimes Mayer is there. Sometimes it's Bijan Robinson. Most of the time the BPA is Nolan Smith or Bryan Breese. It's so hard to tell. I agree. If they leave MLB the way it is right now, that is who they will draft. My hope is that they add a starter there so they can actually go BPA. The issue is that the only real starters left are Wagner or Tranquill. If they add a mike, to me, if it isn't a tight end or receiver, it's going to be an edge player.

He is not a good tackle. He is a guard who thinks he is a LT. If he were willing to move inside I would be all over him. He is requesting a trade because he doesn't want to play RT, so I doubt he is willing to move inside.

Campbell and Simpson are just never going to make it to our second-round pick. I could see them in on Campbell 100%. I think they are going to draft Joey Porter somehow. They did sign Cole Holcomb and Eladon Roberts, good players but not super high upside. It is not as much of a need for them as it is for us IMO.

Perhaps. It's early but I don't think Campbell and Simpson get there. I have no idea what Sanders is at this point. After those guys, it's a second tier imo. Last year Quay Walker and Devin Lloyd went at the end of round 1. IMO Campbell is better than both those guys. Then you had 1 guy go in round two and a run on backers in the third. I think 2 of those 3 guys go tail end of the first again, with a third of probably slipping to mid second, and the next tier of guys go in the third.

Someone else mentioned it in another thread, but Jacksonville makes sense for McKenzie as well, following Chad Hall. Maybe they just don't want to release him on St. Patricks day.

I love Frank Clark. I always have. Floyd to me is a nickel player or more of a 3-4 edge. But he works as well. I think they draft an end somewhere.

I am guessing he winds up with the Giants as injury insurance for Paris Campbell. Or in the slot for the Patriots (the only team McKenzie routinely killed.) So maybe they are trying to weigh those situations as well.

I love Moreau. Perfect #2 Hooper works if he comes very cheap.

Maybe they are trying to trade him or renegotiate a smaller salary?

I think having Micah out really hurt as well on the back end. But the pass rush is still the issue. Von alone can't be the only guy who can get to the QB.

For fun:

Beane said they won't be bringing in an outside guy and Jordan Poyer actually slipped and said "McDermott is still a really great defensive coordinator, errr, I mean defensive-minded head coach." McDermott is going to call the plays imo.

Interesting stuff, they are very similar. I guess Harty ran a 4.36 at his pro day so that is skewed. So he is a smaller, faster version of Zaccheaus. Here is Slayton. Harty has them both beat on short-area quickness, but it's all very close.

Spags does a great job of keeping things exotic without losing the integrity of their system. We have been straight bend don't break. It's not enough.

The team's run scheme is inside zone, outside zone stretch, quarterback counter bash. That's really it. Not enough.

Yeah, I think it is a really tricky spot. You get that 5th-year option which makes things strange cuz you are paying a backer 11-13 million. However, at 27, there is a good chance you land the best LB in the draft, or the best tight end in the draft, maybe the best center or guard. So the positional value, to your point, is probably not quite there. The value/upside pick there is going to be a guy like Nolan Smith to sack the QB. I know it's annoying to0 take DL again, but if they don't get to the QB this team is going to lose in the playoffs again. If one of those top receivers is there, you take him 100%. All that said, if they believe Campbell is a do-over on Tremaine with better instincts, then you do it. You have a cheap starter at mike for 4 years, and it makes sense to have a cheap starter next to Milano. At the same time is it the best first-round pick value? meh...but 27 this year is just a second-round pick anyway, our second is really a third. The first round is for QBs, true left tackles, pass rushers, and corners. Typically if you go another way, there is no boom with the bust. My gut, based on really no evidence is that they love Trenton Simpson. Simpson is a guy from Charlotte, a military family...a kid McBeane probably would have heard about when he was in high school and have probably followed his career. I am speculating there, but he really fits the mold. I like Campbell better, but I am just not sure if they go there. The fact that Kuecly is training with him is very interesting though.

I think Wagner is holding up the rest of the linebackers, what's left anyway. The market is drying up but so is the need. So who still needs a linebacker? IMO Dire need: Buffalo Rams Could use one: Patriots (they have a bunch of guys under contract, Wagner is still an upgrade) Cowboys (can still add Wagner and play LVE outside) Giants (could play him next to Okereke) Browns Vikings (maybe but they love Asamoah) Raiders though they signed Spillane and still in on Perryman Seahawks though they signed Devin Bush I think what happens with OBJ, Jedy, and DHOP is holding up the WR market a bit with guys like Chark still out there.