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I'm ok with McCarron if he is a UFA. I wouldn't want to give up a pick for him as an RFA. I do think there is a possibility, albeit a small one, that if McBean cannot get the QB they want in FA, they sign a couple of young vets to come in and compete.

I believe there are stories that Tom Modrak was banging the table for Jay Cutler and got overruled for Whitner.

I wouldn't hate it if he's healthy. The age doesn't bother me. Center is one of those positions where guys can play for awhile.

Roquan Smith for sure. After that probably Sam Hubbard.

I thought it might be a fun exercise for us look at some of our hits and misses over the years. We all have opinions about all of the quarterbacks in this draft, but I'm sure we have all been wrong at times over the years. Pretty much every year I fall in love with a quarterback, sometimes those guys have turned out to be pretty good and other times they’ve been awful. My earliest draft memories probably start at the 93 draft as an 11 year old. I’ve been watching and obsessing over the draft ever since. 93: Drew Bledsoe was my second football love after Jim Kelly. I thought he was going to be awesome and went on to have a pretty good career. I was ecstatic when we acquired Bledsoe, even though he was thirty at that point. 94: Heath Shuler: I thought he was going to be the man. So athletic and watching his games at Tennessee I thought he would be the real deal. 95: I was a big PSU fan because my uncle went there and I really liked Kerry Collins. I did not think McNair was going to be good as a small school guy. Kerry Collins was ok but I was definitely wrong on McNair. We drafted Todd Collins in the second. 96: This might be the worst QB drafts of all time. First guy off the board was Tony Banks in the second. I don’t recall liking any QBs in this draft. I remember really wanted Terry Glenn and being disappointed with Moulds. 97: Loved Jake Plummer but I thought Jim Druckenmiller was going to be the better pro. 98: Peyton Manning was obvious, but I thought Leaf was going to be good too. I feel like that was a fair debate at the time. 99: Cade McNown was my favorite. He was a lefty and really athletic and fun. I thought Couch would be good too. I wasn't sold on McNabb or Akili Smith. I remember really wanting Andy Katzenmoyer, like a lot and being disappointed when we passed on him for Antoine Winfield. 2000: Nobody special came out of this draft…....but I loved Giovanni Carmazzi. Steve Mariucci ruined him. 2001: I really wanted Drew Brees. I was basically obsessed with him at Purdue. 2002: I badly wanted Joey Harrington and he went one pick before ours. I really think Mariucci ruined him too and he should have had a better career. I thought we might grab Patrick Ramsey in the 2nd. I thought he’d be good too. 2003: Kyle Boller was my guy in this draft. Huge arm. 2004: I felt the top guys were out of reach, so I was actually okay with JP Losman. I did not like the trade up though. I think we could have waited until the second. Still the wrong pick though. 2005: That trade up cost us a shot at Aaron Rodgers, who I thought was really good. 2006: I liked Vince Young in this draft. 2007: I loved Brady Quinn, but really wanted Patrick Willis. I didn't love the Marshawn selection. I did not think there was any way Quinn would bust. 2008: I loved Brian Brohm and felt really good about Colt Brennan. 2009: I did not like anyone, but certainly did not want Aaron Maybin. 2010: A lot of rumors had us loving Tim Tebow so I convinced myself to like him. I really wanted Jimmy Clausen. I could not believe we passed on him in the second. 2011: This one I am not proud of. I thought Cam was out of reach and I loved Blaine Gabbert, Absolutely loved him. He was like the prototype for me. I was upset when we passed on him, but I understood the Dareus pick. After the first day I convinced myself we were going to draft Colin Kaepernick, and I was ecstatic, then we drafted Aaron Williams and I was super pissed. 2012: I spent the entire offseason dreaming of trade ups for Luck that obviously didn't happen. After him I wanted Brock Osweiler late. 2013: I wanted Matt Barkley. Hated the EJ pick. Still surprised Barkley never amounted to anything and shocked he went in the 4th. 2014: I was hoping Teddy Bridgewater would somehow slip to us in the 2nd. 2015: I liked Bryce Petty and I thought Brett Hundley would be good as well. 2016: I wanted Christian Hackenberg. I thought he had the pedigree as a prospect and was just really young for the draft. 2017: I was intrigued by Mahomes, but was okay with the trade down. So for me it's a lot of hit or miss. I really loved prospects like Joey Harrington and Blaine Gabbert and was banging the table for Brady Quinn, but also had a couple of hits like Drew Brees. But I have been pretty wrong a lot. Just putting it all out there as fun. This year I am all in on Josh Rosen. It’s all a crapshoot. Who are some of your hits and embarrassing misses over the years?

love it!

My order is Rosen-Darnold-Allen-Mayfield-Jackson. I very badly want Rosen in a trade up. I love everything about his game and I actually like his confidence a lot. Allen and Mayfield are close for me but I just have to give the size factor to Allen. They both showed similar strengths and weakness, have footwork issues etc etc. if I have a guy who needs a lot of work I'd just rather have the 6-5 guy over the 6-0 guy. I also take the higher ceiling because we have not had a true top quarterback in a very long time. It's just a better long term investment. Can Mayfield be a top 15 guy? Sure. He's grown on me a lot. But Allen could be a top 5 type of guy. I'm going with higher potential. I'll gladly take either one honestly. I'd be ok with any of the top 5. After that I'm probably skipping on this draft.

I appreciate that. I see a kid who got asked some tough questions and responded honestly. He may be a jerk, or it may be something the media is saying because they don't like his opinions. Everything that has come out of that actual locker room has been positive. I think he is an extremely intelligent guy and is standing up for those less fortunate than him. I loved this quote from Jim Mora, who was his coach. This was after Rosen made comments about college taking advantage of athletes etc.: "Well, I think it's important to know this about Josh Rosen: He's very, very well respected by his coaches and his teammates because we see on a daily basis his commitment, his work ethic, his attitude, his passion for football. We also know that he's an incredibly intelligent young man that does have opinions. Often times those opinions are conveyed to others because he is trying to bring attention to some that are maybe less fortunate or have less than he does. At times that maybe he feels are taken advantage of. The message to Josh is that it's OK to have opinions. As a 20-year-old, you're going to have opinions now that maybe you don't have when you're 22, 23, 30, 50, 60 that are maybe different than when you were 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. But when you express those opinions in a public forum - and he expressed those opinions way back in the spring. This is not a recent interview. But when you express opinions, you create perceptions. You create controversy. There are those who agree with you and those who won't agree with you. And you have to be willing to live with the consequences." Now I would recommend reading this interview with Bleacher Report where he made some of those comments: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722587-josh-rosen-qa-ucla-qb-on-injuries-ncaa-and-post-nfl-goal-to-own-the-world Here is another interview where the interviewer brings up Trump for some reason: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/josh-rosen-conor-mcdermott-ucla/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Sept 30 AM&utm_content=Sept 30 AM+CID_cf5de8385d01b4393dd30813efc2329e&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=Everything Under the Sun He was asked about Trump and said this: "Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him. I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds." BTW, the other guy in that interview is Conor McDermott, who is on our team and loves Rosen. We have Rosen's teammate at left tackle for two years in our building, so if we want to know what teammates think of Rosen, we can just ask Conor. (I also think he is in the mix at RT this year) I see Rosen as a really intelligent guy who is a little misunderstood (because the general public is really dumb). I think the bad teammate stuff and doesn't love football stuff is nonsense. He's the guy IMO.

I mean I know we are all experts here, but I trust Arians' judgement. His big mistake was Logan Thomas, but I mean it was the fourth round. Allen, Darnold, Rosen all have the potential to be big time franchise quarterbacks. Rosen kind of reminds me of Eli, Darnold reminds me of Rivers, Allen could possibly be Big Ben with development. Mayfield and Jackson could be big time players if put in the right system and an offense that will fit their abilities. I don't like Rudolph, but I could see him being a Joe Flacco type. Falk could be something and then you have those Senior Bowl guys with the athletic ability like White and Lauletta. You have Litton, Ferguson, Benkert etc. Heck you even have Kyle Allen, Houston QB and former five star recruit as a possible UDFA with loads of arm talent. There is high level potential and possible solid starters in this draft class. I think Rosen is that guy. I think he's an elite talent but nobody is talking about him right now. If his last name were Manning, he'd be guaranteed to be the first pick in the draft. I also think Darnold and Allen have elite potential, while Mayfield and Jackson could be really special in the right spot. We need that franchise changing guy. Anything short of that and we are just spinning wheels. I gotta try to trade up for Rosen.

Agreed. All of those guys would probably be better bridge QBs with the new system being installed. Honestly, though people like to defend Tyrod with numbers, but if you look at the numbers, a 38 year old McCown was better across the board in 2 less games. Is he better than Moore and Fitz, yeah probably but is he even close to the Bradfords of the world? I don't think so.

I don't know man. Am I exaggerating, perhaps slightly, but really not much. I just think the problem is that so many people cling to this idea that he is a good quarterback and for the other half he clearly is not. Numbers people want to defend those numbers, but anybody who watches the game in depth can see that he is terrible. I think the fact that people can honestly defend his play is ludicrous and I think that is where there is a divide. It's just indefensible. He simply can't play quarterback from the pocket. Teams want guys who can, or have shown the potential to do so. Tyrod never will and that's why I think he will have a tough time finding a job and why I don't think a trade is possibly. It's why Alex Smith fetched a good corner and third. It's why AJ McCarron will probably fetch a 2nd. It's why Teddy Bridgewater will probably get a contract he doesnt necessarily deserve and why people keep paying guys like Josh McCown. It's even why guys like Blaine Gabbert continue to get shots. Tyrod is just not a good quarterback.

The problem is Al Riveron looking for any reason to overturn a call. It's supposed to be clear and obvious, not the two hours micromanaging and greatly affecting games. That guy is an idiot. For the the most part the refs get it right. When they clearly get it wrong it's easy. What Riveron was doing this year is inexcuseable. Replay is the problem, not catches Not sure why every other sport can get this right but the NFL can't.

I mean we can agree to disagree. My overall point is that the numbers do not tell the entire story. In fact numbers in football can sometimes mean very little. Remember all of those Broncos 1000 yard backs after Terell Davis? Remember the numbers Fitzpatrick put up? Bridgewater is a quarterback and Tyrod is not. They both have a bunch of question marks, but the bottom line is teams shut down Tyrod by making him a "quarterback." Watching him miss wide open guys and fail to make throws my high school quarterback can make is the problem. He also manages to accomplish all this while taking sacks for holding the ball too long and running around in circles. He only got hurt in Jacksonville because he wouldn't throw the dang ball. The guy is just not good. I wish he was.

If you meant this is in a literal way, I'm sure a lot of people would be all for this. Metaphorically, not so much.

Tyrod's numbers just don't tell the story. We need a quarterback period. Tyrod is not a quarterback. Bridgewater has huge injury questions but can win from the pocket. In that "best" season he led a so-so Vikings squad to the playoffs and should have beat the Seahawks if not for the infamous Blair Walsh miss. Honestly, Bridgewater was a better passer at Louisville than Tyrod will ever be. And I think that is the difference. Will he throw more picks? Yes. Would it be nice if he had more arm strength? Sure. Can you beat him by forcing him to be a "quarterback?" No.

I do like McKinnon but I think he follows Shurmur to NY. He would have a bigger role because they don't really have feature back. Plus he'd probably catch a good amount balls out of the backfield with Eli.

The TV draft heads were all over Mahomes and Trubisky. Peterman was being compared to Kirk Cousins...the oversight is Watson. He lit it up and everybody kind of slept on him. That said, I think O'Brien really simplified the offense for Watson. He honestly looked like rookie year RG3. The league caught up to that and they will catch up to Watson. I want to see him actually run a pro style offense because what they were doing with Houston will not sustain once people get enough film. Not saying he can't do it but I want to see more. I don't think this was a monumental error. Allen is the physical prototype. Darnold has super high potential. Mayfield is a playmaker. But Rosen is an actual quarterback. He's my guy. Trade up for Rosen, maybe Darnold, and I'd be okay with Allen or Mayfield if they slide a bit, but short of that I'm passing on this draft class. Maybe Luke Falk or White later in the draft.

Dion Lewis. He's boys with Shady and if they share the job, Shady's career would be extended. You are taking a guy away from the Pats, plus he's familiar with what Daboll is going to do.

I hear you. I just don't see anyway Elway would be ok with it. Elway is a traditionalist at QB. It would have to be a team willing to change what they do to fit him. Like perhaps Arizona drafts Mayfield and decides to bring in a similar type in Taylor as a bridge. But good point. Someone out there has to like him.

I've been looking for excuses to cancel it!

They are starting to clear cap for Kirk Cousins imo

I think trading up to 13 gets you closer to trading into the top 3, but anything short of a trade up for Allen-Darnold-Rosen, I probably would not bother.

Yep. Exactly!

People around the league know that Taylor sucks. He is what he is, which is a small athlete playing quarterback. Nobody will trade for him. The perception is that he is an efficient winner. The reality is that he doesn't turn the ball over because he won't throw the damn ball and his lack of awareness in the pocket is why he has reached his peak. Teams want to win from the pocket.

I think they sign Cousins and get someone like Watkins or Landry as a receiver. That 72 million does not include possible cuts in Wilkerson and Skrine. A post june 1 designation of Wilkerson frees up something like 17 million in cap.