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Tough to differentiate when it comes to snake oil salesmen.

This could be the truth, especially if the defensive minded head coach who knows nothing about offense isn't even good at evaluating and selecting the right offensive coordinator, which McDermott is already 0-for-2 at. I don't mind a defensive minded head coach if he has somewhat of a handle on the offense and can hire the right OC to carry out his vision. I know people put up numbers about how teams led by great defenses can still win a superbowl...however, what's being left out is it is very difficult to keep an elite defense together for multiple years. Your best shot at having a team that is a perennial contender is developing a franchise QB. And I think that's the biggest question that needs to be asked of McDermott...is he the right head coach to develop one? To me that's an emphatic no, starting with him and the horrible OC's he's hired.

I understand the argument and I've always said it's incredibly insane to think a college team could beat a pro team in any sport. I think this is more about the huge amount they'd have to cover. With McDermott, Daboll, and especially Peterman...I'm really not sure we'd score enough to win by 29.

I'd take the points for Bama if Petermans starting. The Bills would easily win, but I'm still not sure we'd put up over 30 points.

Maybe their fans will be as forgiving to him as ours were and clamor for him to stay after he fails for 4 years.

TKO was an absolute animal. He was unfortunately never the same after the torn ACL. Just never got that explosiveness back.

There have been numerous coordinators for both Belichick and Saban who have failed elsewhere. Some guys are good assistant coaches simply because they're good at being an extension of the head coach if that's what's asked of them. I don't know if this offense is an extension of what McDermott wants or if it's all Daboll. The latter would concern me because I don't think that has the makings of a successful system, because a head coach should be involved with all aspects of the team. The first part would also concern me because this might just be the offense no matter who the OC is if this is what McDermott believes in. Both years here we've seen a bland, extremely conservative, uncreative brand of offense, and the constant has been McDermott. It's really not looking good either way if he/they are coming back, unfortunately.

Me too. And how sad is that? That a top 5 Bills moment for us and probably so many, at least amongst the younger part of the fanbase, was game 1 of what ultimately was a 6-10 meaningless season.

It'll probably be something similar to that. We basically have the same coach now as we did in '09.

I heard Tedy Bruschi talk about this once, and the way he described it is Belichick instills a lot of changes every single offseason, and there's a lot of experimenting that goes on with different personnel and packages early in the season. He says it's not at all that they aren't prepared physically or mentally for the beginning of the season, but the reason they get better as the season goes along is they're mastering the different things that have been incorporated and finding the right players for certain packages and plays. He said some teams don't change that much from one year to the next, and they're usually the ones that don't get better as the season goes along and that some teams that do just don't have a head coach as good as Belichick to smooth out all the wrinkles. In that specific scenario, the Bills D was getting to Brady quite a bit in that game and the Bills had good protection up front and Bledsoe hit some passes that he pretty much didn't for the majority of the rest of that year. I unfortunately have a feeling McDermott, like his long lost Uncle Jauron, is one of those that what you see is pretty much what you get.

I don't think you did play out the worst case scenario though. The worst case scenario to me is we keep McBeane, they continue to fail at building an offense and either keep Daboll or go 0-3 at picking offensive coordinators, and spend a big chunk of cap space on players that aren't very good. I wouldn't keep McDermott. Through 2 different offensive coordinators, we've seen his brand of offense. And it's horrific. I know people love to deflect that from him but he's the head coach, the OC's are an extension of him. Keeping him past this season could set this organization back for years. I don't necessarily mind having a "defensive minded" head coach, but they have to be able to have some kind of handle on the offense and be able to hire the right fits at OC. He's been disgustingly bad at both.

Ugh, please don't be Derek Anderson vs Josh McCown. There is literally no reason whatsoever to watch that.

I doubt this is true. I'd have to see more confirmation on it. I felt bad for Peterman until the run on the Hail Mary. That was one of the most gutless plays I've ever seen. He is bringing a good chunk of the criticism onto himself. There was an extreme where people were blaming him for everything, and now there's an extreme where people are absolving him of everything. The truth, as it is most of the time, is somewhere in the middle. While I don't think that whole throwing food at Peterman thing was real, I do think fans go way too far. I love the debates and everything on here but there are people that actually let this effect their real lives and that's kind of sad. I enjoy my Bills football time every Sunday at one of the Bills bars in Chicago with my crews, even though we're horrible and I think this coaching staff and Beane aren't the right people for this. Most of our fanbase are good people and the camaraderie is awesome.

Not much I can do here if you're unable to comprehend or respond to any of that. You obviously think a rebuild is successful if you're just bad for a while. I guess all of the rebuilds of this century have been successful processes in your eyes.

I have a few times but I can do it again. It's about organizational progress with talent and coaching, development, and instilling systems. 2 years in, nothing is progressing on the offensive side. The talent is horrific, the system is horrific, and the coaching is horrific. Nothing is in place to make this side of the ball successful. This could literally be the worst offense in NFL history. Are we the only team that's gone through a rebuild ever? And this is happening in the era of offense, where the rules have made moving the ball and scoring easier than ever before. You seem to believe that because we're 2-7, the rebuild is working. Not every rebuild is successful, there are plenty of teams that put up a season or 2 of terrible records and their regimes never amount to anything. It's all about what's being done during those rebuilding years. To me, the record doesn't matter, it's about progress on the field. You shouldn't have major deficiencies in all of talent, development, and coaching after 2 years. And really, there's going to be more problems ahead here. A lot of teams have cap space this coming offseason, and those teams need O-line help too. We need 4 legitimate starters on the line still, after this regime has only had the evaluation ability to find 1 in 2 years. We're also going to need skill players at every offensive position, including a WR1. We're also going to need a real offensive coordinator...and nobody with any kind of reputation or other options is going to want to come here if McDermott's still here because he's likely going to be a lame duck next year if he is. For being 2 years in, we are way behind on the most important side of the ball in this game and the outlook to resolve all of these issues isn't pretty. Is that successful to you?

I know what a successful rebuild is. You seem to think that just means you lose, whether you have a direction with football philosophies that are being built and developed along the way or not. I'm guessing if the site let us go back enough, you've had similar defenses and sets of excuses for a bunch of other failed regimes here as well.

The same could have been said about Fisher and Fox with Goff and Trubisky, that they only had 1 year with them. But those organizations could see that those guys had outdated offenses and were not the right guys to develop the young QB's. We're in the same exact boat with McDermott. Yup, it's really a mess with McDermott here. The best thing to do would be to can him and hire a head coach that we can be confident can develop, or at least give Allen the best shot to develop, in a modern offense. There's a difference between being involved and being "intricately" involved in specific play calling. The head coach should have a vision on the style of play that both sides of the ball are going to have. That should be the qualification for a head coach, and the ones who are successful long-term do have that. Successful head coaches are going to go through coaching changes because coordinators are going to get poached from them, but they remain successful because the coordinators are an extension of them. What you're describing is honestly ridiculous, especially the last part. As if the Pegulas should go to McDermott after this year and say, "Hey, don't worry about the offense this year, that's not your primary concern, just keep swinging away at finding an offensive coordinator, maybe 3rd time's the charm. You just do what you do on defense, the offense is on them". The offense does fall directly and primarily on McDermott first. He's the head coach. He needs to know what he wants from the offense and hire the right coach to develop and run it. The fact that he's failed at this twice already and we've lost 2 whole seasons of potential development already is incredibly alarming.

It's because they're failing at the rebuild. Losing doesn't mean you're succeeding at rebuilding. After 2 offseasons, there is absolutely nothing on the offensive side of the ball, the cupboard is completely bare. That is incredibly alarming. The question the organization needs to ask is if these guys are the right guys to trust with the picks and cap space coming up, and most importantly with the development of a young QB. If they're wrong, it could set the organization back for years. The organizational progress is what needs to be looked at during a rebuild, not wins and losses and not any kind of given time frame. You shoudn't just say "well, they deserve 3 years" and then not intricately look at how the rebuild is going along the way. It's that development along the way that will determine whether it's going to be successful or not.

My favorite part of this is the people at the beginning of the thread saying "great move", "upgrade", "shifty and quick". I don't think Isaac McKittrick even exists. Some people will do anything to try to support management.

McDermott scoffs at these "winning" organizations that don't value the faith culture.

What's concerning about that is Beane and McDermott had Benjamin already. They can't even evaluate guys that were on their team.

Quality head coaches understand both sides of the ball and have input everywhere. What you just said just further iterates that he should be a defensive coordinator, not a head coach. And even if you're OK with his only duty for the offensive side of the ball is finding the right person to run it...he's 0-2.

The Bears after 2017 also understood that their head coach and staff obviously weren't good enough to develop the young QB and offense and mold the team into a winner. Will the Bills recognize the same fact about McDermott?

Both the Rams and Bears also identified the fact that their current coaches were failing and weren't the right guys to move forward with developing their young QB's. You very conveniently left that part out.

This guy might be worse than Jauron. Scary stuff.