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Oh I totally agree, especially the game in NE was troubling because it looked like they were sleepwalking through it and it wasn't even competitive.

This is one of the most ridiculous things that gets thrown around on this board sometimes. Yes, it is year 3. They did start the process in year 1, as they should have. And the Bills agreed they were still in the rebuilding process since they rightfully tore it down after 9-7 and a 1 and done with a team that didn't have a high ceiling. I don't know how that in any way wipes out a year of the process. The goal from Day 1 for any regime is to build a perennial legitimate contender...a mediocre season along the way shouldn't alleviate that expectation at all.

If we actually improve significantly, which should be expected in Year 3, the Pats shouldn't automatically mean we're starting 0-2. It would be a huge disappointment if we're not way more competitive in those games. People can say whatever about the score of especially that first game in Buffalo, but the Pats were in control that whole game. I never thought we were going to win. All of that needs to change.

I've always thought that about the Chargers and basically always pick against them in the playoffs...but I do think this year's team is a little different. I think this group is tougher and will be up for the challenge in NE.

I like Josh quite a bit...but yes I would make that trade in a heartbeat. Mahomes looks like an all-timer. KC obviously never would though.

There was this one time when a defensive coordinator with the Jets got the head coaching job and resigned at his introductory press conference and then took the Patriots job.

I was actually hoping the Jets would end up with McCarthy. I'm not sure anyone's done less with more than he has.

I'm at a strange place with this because I do think we're behind on the rebuild in terms of talent overall after 2 off-seasons...however...if they got the most important position right which it appears they may have, that obviously lessens the sting.

Frank here would've been pretty cool. I'm not big on McD so yeah I probably would've been excited about him here. That being said, I haven't watched enough Colts games to know where Frank is in terms of gameday/clock management, which is what McD struggles with the most. I did see when he went for 2 to win when they were down 1 at the end of the game and loved that even if it didn't work out. Not sure we'll ever see that from Mr. "I'd rather tie than lose".

I'm guessing you were the ones that would endorse Chan Gailey's hiring because Bill Cowher recommended him. The info is all posted in this thread, if you look at his overall body of work, it screams average.

This dude seems like the definition of mediocrity. But it feels like that's all McDermott shoots for a lot of the time anyways.

Fat Freddie an NFL head coach...never thought I'd see the day

Has this ever happened before? Where someone who failed at the college level as badly as he did makes a leap into getting an NFL head coaching job before doing anything in between?

Well they had to move quickly after Gregg turned it down.

Kind of strange to see all the praise for McDermott for these firings when it was his call to have them all here for the last 2 years. It took him way too long to see that this needed to happen and puts his abilities to evaluate coaching talent into question.

I don't even know who that is. Is he as legendary as Incarcerated Bob?

Love that Josh was looking downfield as much as he was. I'm not comparing the 2 guys before any one jumps down my throat...but that mindset reminded me of when Luck first came into the league with Arians and was constantly looking downfield, it was really fun to watch and makes a lot of sense given the way the game is called now.

If we're serious about competing next year, we definitely need to add a top shelf pass rusher. This dude looks like a beast tho, doesn't look like he'll make it to 9.

Bowles was a classic case of good coordinator/bad head coach. I understand he didn't have the talent to make the team a contender but that doesn't excuse the blunders with gameday management. Some guys can do it, some can't. McDermott still scares me in that regard. He'll probably be back as a defensive coordinator somewhere and he'll probably do well again in that role.

I think he was implying that most will hoppe to the right side of that fence.

I hoppe that we do sell the game out for Kyle. I hoppe that we'll all be able to put our team philosophical differences aside and just be happy for one of the great Bills of all-time. I hoppe that when the dust clears, Kyle will feel like he left everything out there with no regrets. I hoppe.

Can we expect a replacement acquisition or does this also count as McBeane being “blindsided”?

I agree with some of that and disagree with some of it as well. I did think a rebuild was necessary. I didn't think the team as constructed was properly built to make a championship run, especially given that some of our best players were older. For me, no matter where you are, the end game should be to have built a perennial Superbowl contender. And I was glad they continued on the path of a rebuild after they went 9-7 with a 1st round playoff exit. While it was a fun moment when it happened, I didn't think it changed anything as far as looking at what they really were. What amazes me is that people say they agree with this, but also use it as a reason for why McBeane should get extra time for this process. I've heard so many people say the playoffs "bought" them an extra year or two. Why? It was a 9-7 one and done season. The team was mediocre and it was basically exactly where this team had been treading the last few years. For me it's still the same process with the same timeline, and yes, I do think they're behind. This team still has a lot of holes and deficiencies after 2 offseasons, and it's concerning. That's what made the Pats game tough to watch. They basically did sleepwalk through that and it was still no contest. And they're not even that good this season. The front 7 was totally helpless too. I love Milano but he wouldn't have single-handedly changed that, especially not the way our d-line got pushed around. We have a longer way to go than we should after 2 offseasons and the problems with coaching, player development, and player acquisition are definitely visible. I like some of what I've seen out of Allen so that still goes a long way, but if the goal is a perennial powerhouse we are definitely behind.

I hope someone has addressed this in the 10 pages that I didn't read all the way through...but no this is not the first year of the rebuild. We're 2 offseasons in now. Going into offseason #3, we still have a ton of holes, more than we should after 2 offseasons. I do like Allen so if he ends up being the real deal that would at least be the most important position on the field that they got right which is huge. But that doesn't change all the deficiencies we still have and I think that's a legitimate gripe. I'm willing to see what happens this offseason, but I think people like yourself have this idea that nothing can be assessed during a rebuild. I don't care about the record, I've said many times that it's not a big deal to me this season. I wanted progress. Being in a rebuild doesn't change the fact that the gameday coaching hasn't been very good. It also doesn't change that the pace of filling holes with quality players has also been relatively slower than it should be. Also, everyone has the draft and a lot of teams are going to have big money to spend this offseason. The question is going to be if we have the people in place to be better at acquiring quality players through those avenues and putting them in position to succeed better than everyone else can. I think having a franchise QB can mask some of that but if the goal is to be a perennial powerhouse, which is what I personally want, I think the doubts are warranted.

The reason is because these are trash excuses. These things happen in the NFL. Guys retire. Guys who have previously been problematic become problematic again. Nobody's going to feel sorry for us or give us extra wins or points or players because this happens. Adjustments have to be made. I apologize if this is going to be a spoiler alert for some of you...but something unexpected will happen this offseason. Not everything will go as planned. There will also be injuries next season. The Bills also knew about Eric Wood in January. This excuse that's put out there that they were "blindsided" is so laughable. They basically had the entire offseason to account for and plan for a replacement. Incognito was going on 35 years old, even if he was coming back for this season, that's not a guy for a rebuilding team that can be counted on as being part of the future. I would have basically planned as if he didn't even exist because we needed a replacement anyway. And if it's absurd to expect them to bring in 2 viable o-linemen in one offseason...how are we expected to get at least 3 legitimate starters and solid depth in this one? It's a little scary that they've already had 2 offseasons and the o-line is in complete shambles. We have one adequate starter in Dawkins and they're hoping Teller can be one, but we don't know that yet.