ShakAttack

I am honestly surprised by how many fans have given up on Allen after this game. I would never consider myself one of the more optimistic fans. In fact, I had the Bills losing this game (granted, with Rodgers at QB) and it was mainly because of how poorly we match up against the Jets. Matchups are everything in this league. Look at the Browns, who have annihilated the Bengals twice in a row now, but can’t seem to do that to anyone else. Meanwhile the Bengals look like a completely different team against the rest of the NFL. It’s like that for us with the Jets, for whatever reason, but what I am saying is this is actually NOTHING NEW against the Jets. Something about their scheme, their team speed on defense and the fact they are able to generate more pressure than the vast majority of defenses we face has always rattled Allen and forces him into bad decisions. There have also been plenty of games where Allen has made as many bad throws (unfortunately) it just so happens this time all three of his bad throws were picked off as opposed to dropped, batted down, etc. There is no doubt this is becoming a sickening trend, but again, I go back to the fact that all 3 of Allen’s least productive games as a QB dating back to last season, have been against the Jets. This is nothing new and the sky certainly isn’t going to be falling after week 1. I am not sure if I can realistically say , but I am feel pretty confident that he is going to play a hell of a lot better than he did against the Jets in the coming weeks. Here is the silver lining. Allen did seem a little too “chill” to me this off-season, but this game definitely got to him. Hopefully it’s the wake-up call he needed. Also, we still have our starting QB and we didn’t lose anyone to injury in what was a very physical game. That’s a major plus.

I have to admit, as ***** as tonight was, wouldn't you much rather be the Bills right about now, than the Jets? The Jets won today, but Super Bowl aspirations are completely shot, maybe even playoff aspirations. We looked atrocious and Allen lost the game by himself, but both of his WORST games statistically last season were against the Jets as well, so is it really anything new?

What do you think about the 3rd and 12 after that to Diggs though? Tough one to catch, but went right through Diggs' hands. Can't help but feel Garrett Wilson makes that catch. And although it was placed in a tough spot, that particular throw may have been placed where it had to be (I'd have to re-watch though).

If that ends up being the case and the 2 players on offense EVER drafted by Beane in the first round are Allen and Kincaid, we should all expect him to draft offense more often. Not to mention, you've already got the franchise QB now, so it increases the likelihood of success for talented skill position players on offense.

I will always wonder if the pick was meant to be McDuffie (like most of us wanted it to be) and we took Elam in a panic after the Chiefs jumped right in front of us to snag him. Sigh. Always the dang Chiefs..

The score was 20-20 on the drive I am referring to. Bengals literally could have got into FG position and wound down the clock to a few seconds left to attempt the game winning field goal if not for Chris Jones ending that drive. KC defense NEEDED to step up in that situation. Mahomes could do nothing but watch from the bench. The field goal that KC kicked to make the score 23-20 was with 3 seconds left in the game. EDIT: added play-by-play screenshot

I mean… that’s usually the way it goes for KC… but if you watched the end of last season’s AFC Championship game, you would know they probably don’t win it without Chris Jones. Bengals controlled their own destiny with <2 minutes left to play, only needing a field goal to win. They had already converted a massive 4th down and if I’m not mistaken I think they were at or near mid-field. Defense HAD to make a stop in that game or Bengals win… Chris Jones made that stop. In fact, in that game Chris Jones was everything that we signed Von Miller to be, and arguably would have been if he was available for our playoff run.

Former 3rd round pick just a couple years ago. For me the sad part is, if that was our 3rd round pick this year, he would have practically been a lock to make the team even if he doesn’t make that run. Just the way it goes.

Probably. Ever since McBeane we have a spot reserved for a slow 32+ y/o RB every season. Smh.

I don't want to jinx anything, but historically when the Bills make an ill-advised decision, they don't get away with it. Like playing their starters in a meaningless Week 3 pre-season game... Or dare I say, kicking the ball into the end zone with 13 seconds left in a playoff game... So, personally, I wish we would rest our starters against the Bears, but that's also because being a 39 year old Bills fan means I am paranoid AF. So I guess, don't mind me.

So what? Maybe he is a better leader in the huddle, who cares? I think most players would rather play for a QB that leads by example and that’s Allen.

I gotta say, the way he left it with his team last year, he had to have known he set himself up for a very awkward return to camp this year. I wouldn’t want to be him. But hey, his choices, his actions.

I’d be intrigued to revisit some of the historic notable no-shows to mandatory camp over the years and the ultimately outcome for each of them. I.e. what % of these disgruntled players end up playing for their team when it’s all said and done and the season begins? it SEEMS like the vast majority end up reporting to their teams (and do NOT get traded or hold out the entire season) but also most players hold out due to contract and that’s not the case here, so it’s definitely weird and unusual… making it all the more frustrating. thanks Diggs

I do not know why I’m not surprised, but seriously, what is up with this guy? What is he expecting here? We can’t trade him… we can’t release him… so….

This was the game that proved us right for getting Von Miller. But of course, that was the inevitable tease prior to the usual too good to be true reality.

Nice one 😠

Pretty good chance somewhere out there is someone with a Bills connection telling them that Hopkins to Bills is a done deal too so… you never know till you know.

It’s people’s defense mechanisms already kicking in because they believe Hopkins will end up somewhere else.

If Josh Allen is Hopkin’s favorite QB, I don’t even know how we can allow this to happen. All indications have been if all things were equal he would play for the Bills and there is no reason we can’t do better than whatever KC is offering. I seriously can’t handle losing to these guys again.

So we’re basically backed into a corner and expected to cut this guy, a potentially great draft pick, over something that wasn’t even true in the end. Pisses me off actually.

my point was more that established players are often traded for 3rd-5th round picks and they almost always offer better value and make more of an impact than players taken in that range that end up being mediocre and/or flat out misses more often than not. If the opportunity ever was there, it’s a way to make the team a lot better than a guy like Dorian Williams ever will.

…And this is why I would have given up a 3rd for DHop all freakin day.

by now, there is probably a laundry list of reasons I could give you. This thread didn’t get up to 235+ pages and hammered up to this very moment for nothing.

At this point it is just cruel if we do not get Hopkins. And as a Bills fan, I have learned to expect cruelty.

Pretty much every game in 2017 by halftime. I wanted the playoffs so badly that I couldn’t handle it anymore and we were right on the borderline at that time. After enduring the 17 year drought (and coming close to ending it multiple times prior to 2017) I think I wanted the playoffs back then more than I want a SB today. Don’t get me wrong though, there is nothing I want more than a Super Bowl now.