ShakAttack

I don’t think this has its own thread yet, and I think Phillips is important enough to deserve his own thread (but just barely). Anyway, is there any information about this Shoulder injury? all I know is it apparently happened on his whiffed dive attempt to sack Mac Jones at the 2 minute warning…. and that he was in a sling after the game… Is there any other info at this time?? The fact it was bad enough to be in a sling makes me think he could be missing time And on a side note, seriously tired of all these injuries that occur on the final drive of the game (whether offense or defense’s last drive)

I hate that you make some great points here. But if so many doctors agree that the video seems to indicate ACL tear, I just want to know where and how the heck Rappaport and others in media got their reports so quickly that it was a “sprain” most likely.

Saw all this stuff too. So we basically have: 1. The "online doctors" claiming it's likely ACL based on watching videos. 2. Rappaport saying it's most likely a sprain (based on his sources that had to come from someone close to the Bills team as opposed to someone watching a video) So I guess I'll be cautiously optimistic too.

did Tre? Cant remember

Where? I could use some relief too. EDIT- I see some reports now as well, but they also did not rule out a more serious injury. So it's still "Who knows"

Yeah I don't know. When that's all there is to go off of right now (besides the video itself) it's easy to potentially overthink the situation, but it definitely left a bad impression, and I know it wasn't just me picking up on that, so I guess we will see. Hoping it's a sprain & fingers crossed.

Since nothing definitive has been reported, the only thing I've seen so far is Miller's demeanor after the injury and on the cart. I get the sense that Miller is an athlete that probably understands his body very well, and for a guy that claims to "find the positives in everything" he looked REALLY glum. Almost as if... it was something he couldn't put a positive spin on. Again, that's really all I can possibly go off of from what we've seen, but it wasn't a good look

Wondering if there is even a best case scenario with this injury. Smh

So let me get this straight: last week Tre was ruled out by McDermott the Friday before the game this week, day before game, he has not been ruled out So there’s a chance…..??? nah not getting my hopes up (….but there is, right? from what we know)

I am 75% Iranian and I was old enough to witness Iran vs. USA in the 1998 World Cup. USA is my "second" team, since it is where I was born and raised, after all, but I became obsessed with the Iranian national team in 1998 for many of the same reasons I became a Buffalo Bills fan as a kid growing up: They were the ultimate underdog. And since the Buffalo Bills have never won a Super Bowl, and since they lost "13 seconds" and every other miraculous playoff game we have played in involves us losing in the end (besides "The Comeback" which I vaguely remember but was just a bit too young to fully appreciate, Iran's win over the U.S. in 1998 would probably have to rank as my favorite moment as a sports fan. I say "probably" because the moment we ended the playoff drought on Andy Dalton's 4th down TD to Tyler Boyd just might actually have it beat. And if we were on the winning end of "13 seconds" it would have been no contest at all... That would have been my greatest sports moment of all-time... In fact, it is kind of sad because after Allen tossed the go-ahead TD with 13 seconds left, I ran around the house yelling something along the lines of "THIS IS THE BEST MOMENT IN MY LIFETIME AS A BILLS FAN!!!!!!!!" Anyway... Where am I going with all of this... All of this is to say... MAN... the Saudi Arabia upset over Argentina today was just miraculous. In 2014, Iran lost to Argentina 1-0 and it was celebrated by the country as if they won; the most impressive match they had ever played. It really feels like Saudi Arabia accomplished what Iran was unable to pull off that day. It's just not supposed to happen! I mean, 100% of the Saudi roster plays for Saudi club teams, while Argentina is essentially an international all-star team. Every now and then the question comes up "Can a really good college FB team beat the worst NFL team?" And almost always the answer is a resounding "NO" But I think what happened today in the World Cup was the the soccer equivalent of a college FB team beating a pro team... And that is just incredible. Indeed, Argentina blew it, but once the Saudis had the lead, I could not believe some of the saves made by the goal-keeper to hang on, especially the save in the 100th minute... WOW.... It's kinda funny, I'm a more casual soccer fan and I do not follow the sport year-round, but every 4 years when the World Cup returns, I am quickly reminded why it is my 2nd favorite sport to watch. There are some remarkable moments in this sport.

You know with Bills fans, the moment he is active to play on Game Day, he is our beloved All-Pro / Pro Bowl Corner again and all is forgiven. The only way there is love lost is if Tre ends up not playing a single game for us this season, or if he indeed stinks it up when he finally does play. But you gotta love Bills fans, most of these guys hating on him will be his #1 fan the day he is finally active.

when practice was cancelled yesterday the first thing I thought was “well at least we won’t risk any injuries in practice”. Knowing the way this year has gone injury-wise, wouldn’t surprise me if we lost (another) starter ourselves. I don’t wish injuries on anyone, but have to admit, with all the damn injuries our defense is dealing with - especially in the secondary - it was a little comforting to see The Browns have one of their own now.

he does. it just has to be the first half or outside of the red zone is all. i say he kicks hero ball up a notch and starts throwing for the end zone outside of the opponent’s 20 every time. there might actually be something to this. Think about it. We do WAY better on 3rd and 15+ than 3rd and 2 or less. Allen needs SPACE

yes the Jets game sack and the sack to force 4th and 18 in Vikings game are precisely the “plays we didn’t capitalize on” that I was referring to. it’s a shame , Von made the impact play needed at the perfect time In both instances, but it amounted to nothing. We didn’t knock the ball down on 4th and 18… and we still blew it against the Jets. So we didn’t capitalize. True, but there’s a risk with each alternative option as well. hand it off to RB, we risk getting tackled in the end zone for a safety (and we have had several hand offs blown up for losses this season for the same issue you are referring to re: interior oline) or you toss it laterally / roll out and try a quick dump off to one of the backs which also has risks of its own. In fact, this is what Tua tried to do late in the Miami game from his own end zone and it was Von Miller - ironically- in pursuit and knocked the pass down, forcing Miami to Punt out of their own end zone and nearly choke away the game. one thing I will say is when we made that stop on defense and had to start from our own half yard line I kept thinking “No… This isn’t over yet…” But of all the possible bad scenarios I certainly didn’t imagine a botched exchange.

Yeah this is the stuff I was trying to stop thinking about when I decided to go in another direction 🤣 But as far as this one goes, we can second guess the play call all we want, but I feel like the strategy would’ve worked if we got the snap right, which, you know, is something you SHOULD be able to reasonably expect to happen…. You had Davis lined up behind Allen prepared to push him forward and ensure some kind of advancement of the ball. Each time we have pushed Allen this season, the ball has advanced and not gone backwards, so no reason to think it wouldn’t happen here. Man, I hate this. 🤮

fair enough. My point on his pressers doesn’t even qualify as a “concern” for me, as we have a laundry list of those and MAYBE I was trying to get my mind off of them for just a moment, but yes, it while it may not be a concern, it does bother me to some extent. Wouldn’t say it’s only my opinion though. While it may not be a popular one, others have certainty acknowledged it here and come up with better examples than I had to support my point as well. (Ie the talking up of Mcveigh and “missing” the LA Rams at times). I just feel like, you’re here now, embrace it.

maybe you should have kept going: “look he is a great player and he has come through in some big moments for us. Unfortunately, we couldn’t capitalize on his last couple timely sacks, though. But, it seems like when he is in press conferences, there is a little too much of “you guys” instead of “us”. No loss seems to bother him (was he like that in Denver too? Not sure) And I’ve never seen a Bills player openly express how much of a FAN he is of the opponent after getting beat, and select players on the opponent’s team.” I specifically gave Von Miller credit for doing his job with timely sacks (that we were unable to capitalize on) the entire thread was about getting sour on Miller’s approach to press conferences. say what you want about that, but at no point did I blame the GAME on him. That would be ridiculous and make no sense at all. the closest thing to that is when i implied he might be an even better player if he was a bit more team oriented, but even then, I took a step back and said hey maybe that is who he has always been, in which case, keep doing you Von. so Yes, you definitely misinterpreted OP

well, you misread it then. Simple as that. Wasn’t at all blaming the loss on Von Miller. Not even close.

Considering doing the same thing this week, but it won’t be the first time in a while. last year, after the bye week, we went through this same thing. Except that time the team was healthy so it was even more inexplicable. anyway, I took a week off at one point and thankfully, something changed at halftime against the Bucs, precisely when we couldn’t afford to keep stumbling anymore. I guess this team really has to hit rock bottom to go on a run. I know a lot of us feel like we might be at rock bottom right now, but we are indeed still 6-3, with a much tougher schedule than last year, and it also got worse last year before it got better (weren’t we 7-5 or 7-6?)

definitely never implied that he lost the game. In fact, in the OP I mentioned that it was unfortunate we were unable to capitalize on his last couple of timely sacks. My issue is not with his play, at all. But I do wonder if he’d be a better player if he embraced being a Buffalo bill a little more, like many of his teammates seem to. Or maybe, this is who he has always been, and this is what makes him the great player that he is. I’d like to go back to his pressers from Broncos / Rams (particularly the Rams when they went on their 3 game losing streak last year) and find out. And if this is just who he is, and is what made him one of the best players of all time at his position, then more power to him.

And As far as how I feel the day after, it depends on the minute. sometimes it’s wish Knox could’ve caught that TD in OT before the Allen int or wish we didn’t fumble the snap with the game won or wish we didn’t give up another “catch of the year” in a dramatic loss and yet AGAIN failed to “knock it down” or this team isn’t learning from these Heartbreaking losses yeah. Just depends on the minute. Here we are again. Needing Sunday to come and get this taste out of our mouths, but this time, I’m a lot more worried. Yep, even against the Browns.

yeah I get it, probably the result of not getting sleep and having already gone through every thought related to the game itself 10 Times over, my mind wandered. And after watching that presser, all I could think was “man, this is getting old”. For once, I wanted to see some of the sentiment we got from like every other player that interviewed for the Bills after the game. These games aren’t “normal” like he apparently makes them out to be. In this particular case, I wanted to see some kind of frustration, passion, holding guys accountable as you said. Instead of “MAN! I don’t know but I had FUN out there!” Yeah I don’t know man. Lol. I better get some sleep. Oh wait, it’s Monday. Gotta work.

I’d feel better if the AFC East wasn’t good from top to bottom this year. Not sure how we can pull 14-3 out of this remaining schedule and our toughest schedule in years overall, but I do still think we end up with some kind of record that gets us into the playoffs. but let’s start to accept the strong likelihood of playing in Arrowhead again if we are fortunate enough to get to that point, because I really think by the time these playoffs are underway, anyone can beat anyone.

I get that he has played for 3 different teams in approximately a one year span, and I get that he has been through every scenario as he constantly reminds us in every press conference, particularly with his endless references to playing for the Rams, where he played for one entire half season + playoffs, but… Does anyone else get the sense from listening to his pressers that he still hasn’t embraced being a member of the Bills TEAM? look he is a great player and he has come through in some big moments for us. Unfortunately, we couldn’t capitalize on his last couple timely sacks, though. But, it seems like when he is in press conferences, there is a little too much of “you guys” instead of “us”. No loss seems to bother him (was he like that in Denver too? Not sure) And I’ve never seen a Bills player openly express how much of a FAN he is of the opponent after getting beat, and select players on the opponent’s team. You’d think he has played for as many teams as Ryan Fitzpatrick, but in fact, this is only his 3rd team. It is a bit reminiscent of Frank Gore and Emmanuel Sanders when they were here for a year and knew it, and it was reflected in their interviews, but both players were at the ends of their careers and knew it too, and they also had to know they were only in Buffalo for a year. But Miller signed a 6 YEAR DEAL to be a Buffalo Bill, and while most of us probably don’t expect him to play out that entire contract, I think we also expect at least a few years out of it, so I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but the pressers are starting to bug me… I wish I didn’t get the impression that he seems disassociated from the team at times, and more of a neutral Player that is just there for himself and his personal goals. That said, if that’s how he has always been, and if that’s what makes him the player that he is, then alright.. I’m on board I guess? On a side note, I also like his positivity, but sometimes it feels a little misplaced. He preaches games like these being “good medicine” etc. but I can’t help but think that at some point, when we CONTINUE to lose games in the most explicable fashion, are these games really building character and making us stronger? Or is it just causing us to fall deeper and deeper down this hole we are digging, and all we can do as fans is wait and hope for the team to finally and suddenly snap out of it like we did in the second half against the Bucs last year, and never look back. I know this is probably unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and there’s a lot more to be upset about today related to the actual game that was played, but it’s 3AM here, and I’ve already gone through every thought process trying to find a silver lining somewhere so I can move on (That seems to be how I process bills losses) and the last presser I watched was Von’s, so it kinda stuck with me.

its incredible how many of us there are man. Lol. If only Norwood made that kick. Maybe I’d be on another teams board right now instead. Heck, maybe I’d be on no message board at all. My local teams were Raiders and Niners. And I never cared much for them or their fans, especially Niners. I’ve developed a respect for the loyal Raider fans over the years and for a long period of time we were able to relate to each other, each going through miserable never ending playoff droughts.