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The way it works around here, Billsfan1972, is that criticism = trolling.

Kudos, sir! I'm on the same bandwagon as you ... a long time Bills fan who's sick and tired of watching clones of the crappy Bills teams from the 1970s and 1980s playing against modern NFL teams. Be warned, though, that you're going to be mocked and told you should "get a life" or "sit back and enjoy the game" by the resident Bills cheerleaders because you dare to complain about the Bills feeding their fans bull manure wrapped up in cutesy phrases and promises of "wait until next year".

Unfortunately, while trading McCoy would be good for Shady, nothing is going to help the Bills offense with the current coaching staff.

McDermott and Beane deserve to be fired for McDermott's dismantling of the Bills offense since he was hired and given general control of player personnel along with his and Beane's failure to provide Allen with an adequate OL and a NFL caliber WR corps. If I had ever done my job as incompetently as these two have "managed" the Bills personnel over 2017 and 2018, my ass would have been out the door ASAP. "Accountability" isn't just for players.

The Bills "can't afford" to keep their own talented players but they apparently can always find the $$$ and draft picks to trade for some other team's first round bust, so I figure that it's a real possibility that Ereck Flowers winds up on the Bills. After all, if he was a first round pick, he must have shown "something".

Another TSW nazi censor wannabe heard from. If you want to be a cheerleader for the current crappy Bills regime, be my guest, but don't presume to tell others what they can post.

Get a clue. Those comparing McDermott to Jauron aren't doing so because of a physical resemblance or similar demeanor. ?

The Bills defense is hardly "great". It's good enough to stop flat teams. It's good enough to limit meh-offensive teams, but I seriously doubt that they can stop better offenses.

This is a pipe dream. Teams rarely even get to the Super Bowl without being regular playoff contenders for several seasons before they can even challenge for the Super Bowl, so they aren't going to get high draft picks unless they trade up like Philly did for Wentz in 2016 which means they either give up current talent or future talent to do so. More importantly, simply collecting high draft picks doesn't guarantee on field success as the Browns have demonstrated for the last decade. FTR, in the 18 Super Bowls in this century (2000-2017 seasons), 4 teams have accounted for 11 of the SBs: NE (5), Baltimore (2), Giants (2), and Pitt (2) while perennial playoff contenders Eagles, Broncos, Seahawks, Colts, Saints, and Packers all won 1 each. Tampa Bay was a playoff team for a number of seasons before winning the SB, but hasn't been back since, and hasn't really been a regular playoff contender since. Like the SB winners, the 6 other teams -- Falcons, Panthers, 49ers, Bears, Raiders, and Rams -- played in the Super Bowl since 2001 without winning a ring were all regular playoff contenders when they got their SB shots.

KC now up 30-7 over Jax.

Cinci has scored a TD. Miami 17, Cinci 10 just starting the fourth quarter. Browns up on Ravens 9-6 at the end of the third. Cinci just intercepted Tannehill on a weird play for a pick 6. 17 all. Jax finally scored a TD. 23-7 KC late in the third.

KC is putting a licking on Jax, 23-0 about 2/3 of the way through the third quarter.

Polian was a great GM but he built his teams in an entirely different era. His last years in Indy suggests that he wsn't a particularly good GM for the salary-cap era.

Reddick sounds like just the kind of player that McDermott and Beane love: a failed first round draft pick that another team wants to peddle with three or four years left on his rookie contract.

IIRC, Whaley and Brandon were pals going back to their college days or something like that, which is probably why he was originally hired to assist Gailey. I think Whaley was on board with Brandon's "money ball" philosophy, and accepted the Bills weird organizational structure where the GM was pretty much subservient to the HC as well being dictated to by FO bean-counters.

I don't "expect every single move to pan out" but some offensive decisions panning out would be nice. I just love watching ex-Bills who weren't good enough to play for the Bills tearing up defenses on playoff teams like NE, Philly, LA, and KC. You obviously love waiting ... and waiting ... and waiting ... for the Bills to build an offense that's NOT lost in the 1980s. Enjoy the wait.

Numerous defensive minded HCs have put together good/great offenses. Belichick is probably the most notable. But there have been some other HCs from defensive backgrounds who have attempted to win by with strong defensives and run oriented offenses that didn't lose games. The 1985 Bears under Ditka are probably the prime example, but this is NOT the same NFL as in 1985 or even 2005 when the Bears went 11-5 with the same formula with rookie Kyle Orton under center. In 2018 when offense rules, and yet McDermott is trying to build a team to be competitive in 1985. McDermott's is the guy who makes the decisions on personnel, and these decisions say he's clueless or disinterested or both when it comes to the offense. He was the guy who chose Zay Jones over JuJu Smith-Schuster and traded up to get him. He was the guy who decided that he didn't want Sammy Watkins on his team which completed the total dismantling of the most talented WR corps the Bills have had in this century -- and filled the Bills WR corps with has beens, never weres, and low draft picks and UDFA rookies. He was the guy who was okay with replacing two top notch OLers with backups and bottom feeders and trading away the best LT the Bills have had since they traded away future HOFer Jason Peters just because they had a rookie LT who played decently. He's the guy who kept Peterman and allowed McCarron to be traded away just because Peterman looked good against scrubs in preseason. If those four moves don't convince you that McDermott isn't the guy to build a competitve team going forward, I'm not sure anything can.

That's pretty much been part of the Bills "culture" for decades. Chuck Knox left because of it. Bill Polian was fired because he had an issue with Litman, Ralph's son-in-law. Whaley wasn't really an independent GM as most teams have as I think he was either equal to or subservient to the HC du jour. Brandon always had his sticky fingers in personnel matters going back to 2006 when he hired Jauron and installed Marv Levy as a figurehead GM. Probably Overdorf, too.

This isn't hard to figure out. It's called putting your QB in a position to succeed, which is a tried and true strategy (see LA Rams, KC Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles, etc). The Bills drafted WRs Robert Woods (2nd) and Marquise Goodwin (3rd) in 2013, OTs Cyrus Kouandijo (2nd) and Seantrel Henderson (7th) in 2014, and OG John Miller (3rd) in 2015. He also signed LG Richie Incognito and TE Charles Clay in 2015 as UFAs and traded for LeSean McCoy. Even though Manuel was a bust, the offensive players Whaley assembled enabled the Bills to field mid-pack offenses with Kyle Orton and Tyrod Taylor at QB until McDermott decided talent on offense was apparently superflous.

You aren't the only who has "lived it" in the corporate world, dude, and you're just incorrect when you claim that you "developed it" because a corporate/organizational culture can't be "developed" by a single individual or even several individuals like a facilities maintenance plan or a new software program. It develops pretty much on its own over time from a series of interactions between management and employees. What you've described in your past posts seems much more like a corporate philosophy or a mission statement (for non-profits) which also brings customers/clients into the equation rather than culture, although the corporate/organizational culture can certainly impact customers/clients.

This is pretty much the accepted definition/description of corporate/organizational culture. Culture develops endemically over time based on the actual interactions between management and employees, not on management edicts or pep talks. Like a society's culture, a corporate culture develops over a long time without a distinct beginning or end unless there's some cataclysmic event -- like a change of ownership of a football team -- that results in massive personnel changes at the very top of the corporate food chain which changes the way the organization is run. The Bills have a culture, but it's not at all what McDermott -- and his supporters on TSW -- claim it is. It's pretty much the same culture that developed under Russ Brandon's aegis since he was put in charge of the Bills in 2006 after Tom Donahoe was fired. When Pegula purchased the Bills in 2013, if he wanted to change the team's direction, he should have parted ways with Russ Brandon, Doug Whaley, Jim Overdorf, etc and brought in his own people from the top down. Instead, he kept Brandon and his top henchmen. McDermott and Beane were hired because they fit the Bills culture that had developed under Brandon, which is why the Bills seem to being doing similar things under the new regime that they did under the previous regime and the one before that ... The real difference is that Beane and the scouting department he assembled after Whaley and the old scouts were fired seem to be incompetent as talent evaluators which accentuates McDermott's failure to field a competitive NFL team because of his "my way or the highway" philosophy.

Who says that this was a "once in a generation QB deep draft that doesn't come around often except for media draft mavens and draft picks' agents spreading hype? Every single one of the top five prospects in 2018 had serious flaws, and because of that, there wasn't a consensus #1 pick. Between 2000 and 2016, there have been four other drafts that yielded at least four first round QBs prospects: 2003, 2004, 2011, 2012. Carson Palmer came out of the 2003 as the #1 consensus pick. Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Ben Roethlisberger all came out of 2004, with Eli being the consensus #1. In 2011, Cam Newton, again the #1 consensus pick, was the only successful QB. In 2012, only the #1 consensus pick, Andrew Luck, and Ryan Tannehill found success from among the first round picks*. So, in these supposedly "extra deep" QB drafts, only 7 of the 16 first rounders were/are decent NFL starters, which is about 44%. Since all of the consensus first rounders hit, only 3 of the other 12 first rounders were successful, which is a pitiful 25%, which means that how many highly rated (or more likely, highly hyped) QBs are in a draft class is irrelevant. It's totally on the quality of the QB prospects available, not how many prospects are available, because most drafts yield only 1 good or better QB. IMO, what is most troubling about the Bills draft in 2018 is that it appears that they decided to draft a first round QB well before they even knew what QBs would be available in the draft which suggests that they weren't looking at a specific prospect or two, but just "a first round QB". That smells just like the Bills decision to draft "a first round QB" in 2013 regardless of the quality of the prospects just to placate the fan base. In fact, the Bills signaled they were committed to drafting a first round QB in 2018 by trading away Taylor (in 2013, the Bills released Fitzpatrick just before the start of the new league year). That the Bills treated the offense as an afterthought during FA despite the loss of Wood and Incognito and that after they drafted Allen, they didn't draft another offensive player until almost the end of the fifth round further hints that they drafted Allen primarily to placate the fan base rather than as the cornerstone of a 21st century NFL offense. I'll reiterate what I've said elsewhere: Allen is being set up to fail by the decisions the McDermott and Beane have made in the past and are likely to make in the future. McDermott doesn't seem to value or understand offensive football, so I'm not at all hopeful that the Bills will invest either $$$ or high draft picks in offensive players. * The best QB of the 2012 draft is Russell Wilson who was finally taken in the 3rd round. Kirk Cousins, taken in the 4th round, ain't too shabby either, and Nick Foles, taken later in the 3rd round, is an excellent backup/average/low level starter depending upon the system he's in and the talent around him. The second-best QB in the 2011 draft turned out to be second rounder Andy Dalton.

The "fix" is to can McDermott and his henchman Beane. The Bills offensive and defensive performances this season attest to exactly how incompetent these two are.

What is this great plan??? Turning the clock back to the 1970s? They've made a good start. The current Bills are certainly as uncompetitive in the NFL as they were through most of the 1970s. ROTFLMAO. So, these clowns have spent 2 seasons getting ready to implement their great plan to turn the clock back to the 1970s? Got it. Bull manure! Since the Bills got rid of the last "my way or the highway" jackass (Dick Jauron) in 2009, they've had GMs who knew personnel (Nix and Whaley) and HCs who were at least smart enough not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The current regime is another "my way or the highway" HC with his 1970s mentality with control over personnel and a GM with no personnel experience -- and the sad state of the current Bills reflects that. The longer these two are in charge, the further the Bills will fall behind the rest of the NFL. Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Point 1: McVay tried to re-sign Watkins but KC offered more. Point 2: One good game against a flat team doesn't make a career. Milano is nothing special, and I'll stand by my statement that he might not make the rosters of many NFL teams. Point 3: The poster I questioned claimed that Pegula insisted on cutting cap commitments by the end of 2018. I don't believe that's true in any form. As I said, maybe Pegula wanted them to cut the amount the Bills actually spent on player salaries in 2018 and going forward, but that's not the same thing as "fixing the cap situation", whatever that means. , Except that the Jags, Rams and Eagles new HCs all kept their teams' best players and built around them, so that would be the opposite of McDermott and Beane. Hell, Marrone even replaced Bortles as his starting QB during 2017 preseason IIRC in order to put him on notice to get his act together -- and he did. And Dareus doesn't seem to have any trouble fitting into the Jags' "culture".