Stank_Nasty

Right. It seems to me over the last year that white is widely regarded as a top 5 CB. There’s already been 3 named over him so far and they aren’t even to the heavy hitters yet. Surprising.

You understand that we can disagree with the ranking, voice said disagreement, and still not lose a wink of sleep over it right? But, uh, thanks for the reminder I guess????

I guess I would have to watch it again but I didn’t one time think Hyde was over stepping during that play. If he’s “launching” himself into a player he’s not making that play on the ball IMO. But again, I havnt seen the play in a week….. because, well, I didn’t think there was anything to think twice about with it.

I remember seeing a pic from a training camp about 3 or 4 years ago with the red on white and thinking “why in the heck hasn’t this taken the place of red on red?”

The 2020 season? Cowherd was in on Allen from the get go after his hot start. I do, however, remember Nick Wright claiming Allen wasn’t the best qb in the division after Tua got inserted for the fins. Cowherd was all in on Allen through the whole stretch run last year. I think you have your talking heads mixed up

And I’m 100% cool with that. If Allen goes down for any extended period of time, we have a guy that historically wins more than he loses that could come in and keep the bills in the playoffs while Allen heals. IMO he’s more valuable in that role than what we could milk out of a trade.

Fair points. And so mine would be, is it too much to ask somebody that’s getting paid to talk about certain players in front of the masses to do a quick Google search on a players numbers before saying he sucked? And half those people still say “but I wasn’t wrong about his first 2 years.” …. Yes you friggin were. Take 2 seconds to go back and figure out how you coulda been so off the mark about a guy. You’re freaking paid to talk about sports. Geez.

right. i literally said numbers were solid "as a whole". These same analysts dont discount jacksons rushing contributions. So why would they forget about 500+ rush yds and another 9 scores on the ground for Allen? In just his 2nd year, Allen went for 3500 total yds, 29 td, 13 to's, and 10 wins in 15 starts. Solid as a whole. i think we agree there..... Anyone that says he was bad in his 2nd year is just trying to say it to justify their inaccurate stance on him coming into this last season.

She’s similar to a bunch of other hacks that won’t let go of his first year and you are giving her too much credit. She consistently references his first 2 years being bad. When somebody hints that Allen was bad in his 2nd season it immediately hints to me, their mind was already made up, that they were actually too lazy to ever go look at his numbers(which were very solid as a whole) and the only game they watched was the playoff debacle. It’s a super lazy way to try and act like you weren’t completely off base about him.

Even Josh loves the Red on White combo.... Give the franchise what he wants!

...I wasnt...

Little more discussion about Allen and his tier status. Personally I still think if the definition of tier 1 is carrying your team then Allen needs to be in by default. IMO there wasn’t a single team that relied on one single player like the Bills relied on Allen.

Mathis is gonna have a hard time getting in at all. Let alone first ballot. No way. Ware has might get the first time though.

i'm with you man. the funny thing is they've been spoiled for so long that they are all in denial. half of them have already talked themselves into haskins developing. they legitimately dont believe there team is gonna be down for any extended period of time. its definitely some sort of mental defense mechanism. but they'd all be way better off accepting it. i own and operate a fitness facility here in NW PA. i have 300+ active members so i get a good stream of football fans in daily and have a lot of fun talks. i would say 95% of the talks i've had with the "stiller" fans over the last 3 months have been me just laughing at them while they try to convince me that they'll be just fine after losing their gold jacket qb. i've tried explaining numerous times how they dont just grow on trees and that it can be a lonnnnnngggg wait in the NFL middle class. but most of it is them just referencing a history of excellence and how there is just no other way...... i cant friggin wait for ben to retire.

No not even close. The stats are plenty meaningful in every HOF convo. This is so off base it hurts. James had 4 different 1500 yd seasons! That’s taking over. Hands down. And go back and find me another RB playing with manning that came even remotely close to James production. Also you can’t seriously sit there and rip James for having an elite QB and then give Thomas a nod. Kelly was a top 3-5 qb all through Thomas’ prime. Let’s also not pretend like Thomas was the first dual threat back. Roger craig was a two way monster in the 80’s. Just a really rough post on your part all the way around. Really missed the mark.

And some of the best fans I’ve encountered were steeler fans as well. Have had good convos with pats fans as well…. That doesn’t mean the masses aren’t, in general, a** holes. I’ve been to Lambeau, Lucas oil, Heinz, and Jacksonville. Had a good experiences at all of them.

Fair enough. But Didn’t he beat up on a good Miami defense last season?

I should like him more than I do but living close to “Stiller” country has soured me on any player that has ever come through that franchise. a truly intolerable, entitled, self righteous base of fans. Literally act as though the franchise and they, as fans, are gracing the NFL with their presence. Insufferable.

Easily one of the most underrated backs of all time. He’s easy to forget about and I’m not sure why. I’m guilty of it. He was truly elite for a good 6 to 7 year stretch.

Anytime I read or listen to an “I was wrong about Josh Allen speech”, whoever is giving said speech tries to justify their initial feelings based off year 1 and, more annoyingly, year 2…. It always chaps my a** when people bring up year 2 like Allen was awful. I don’t think I’ve ever seen more hate for a 2nd year qb that went for 10 wins, 3500 total yards and 29 total tds in 15 games. The guy had just 13 total turnovers and people acted like he was a turnover machine. It made absolutely no freaking sense. I’m sorry but if you just recite the normal “nobody could see it coming the first 2 seasons” bull crap I instantly wanna see you ran over by a semi. Laziest sporting take of the last couple years. When people still bring up Allen’s year 2 as justification for their initial feelings on him I basically still file them away into the idiot category, no matter if they changed their tune or not.

He ran for more yards the next year and the then in years 6 and 7 had 2 more 1500+ Yd rushing seasons. So I don’t really agree with that. He was an elite back for a good stretch of time.

Ya. You certainly need to go look at his stats. over 15,000 scrimmage yards. He ran for 1500 yds or more 4 times and 1200 yds or more 6 times. He led the league in rushing twice and was easily regarded as a top 5 back for the first 6 to 7 years of his career. He also accumulated 430 receptions over his 11 years. James was considered Elite for a good stretch of his career. “Very good” doesn’t sum up most of his career. The guy was truly elite for a long stretch.

Hopefully seeing Allen run out the tunnel all sexy like that can make it happen

I sorta like them too and I think it’s a much better option than all reds. like how could the Pegulas see Allen run out in that color scheme and not think “this needs to happen” …. Sexy AF

Mine lasted all the way up into this last season. 2019 I started to kick it and then the playoff implosion happened. But now, finally, in 2021 I can see it’s all gone. …. Although waiting all these years for last years type of team and not being able to attend was pretty dang… “Billsy”