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He’s not, of course, but we need more than just Gabe and Diggs outside.

I think they view Harty as a vertical threat outside? At least that’s my read on it. More John Brown than slot receiver.

I’m concerned that we may be sitting there at 27 watching another run on WR’s before we pick. Then who knows who’s available in RD2. I still think we need a legit WR2. Not sure Diggs - Davis - Shakir - Harty is a WR room worthy of a Super Bowl contender. It’s basically Diggs + 3 WR’s that we hope make a jump. If we keep pick 27, I’d also like to be able to spend that on OL, as there should be a top tier IOL or good Tackle prospect available there. At the very least … get Allen a weapon. If that’s Henry or something out of left field, I’ll take it. In summary … -A weapon to help Allen -An upgrade at EDGE or Wagner Not sure we have the money to do both of those things unless an unexpected cut or player trade happens.

I disagree on the talent comment. As an aggregate, maybe … but football in 2023 is weighted. Chiefs Offense was much more talented than ours last season. Our Defense more talented than theirs, pre-injuries of course. Offense >> Defense I do agree they have better coaching. It just is what it is. Reid is a genius and Spags is damn good.

Our own player is triggering it ha Hes probably trolling, but when our GM talks about RB’s at his press conference and our DT hits send on a tweet at Henry calling him “King of the North” …. The people are going to run with it. By people, I definitely include myself.

Yes. Two very different backs. I dont want Miles Sanders, Dalvin Cook, insert random big money back … but I’d make an exception for Derrick Henry.

I’m just reacting to Daquan Jones likely trolling everyone by tweeting at Derrick Henry, calling him King of the North

I think I’m pretty close to being all in on Henry if Beane pulls the trigger. 1) 3rd and short can be Henry wildcat/handoff, instead of Allen sweeps/sneaks/draws 2) Playaction would be a monster 3) Strange fit with our athletic, pass blocking OL philosophy, but Henry would be running into light boxes for the first time in his career 4) Might be appealing to Henry to play for a legit contender and extend his career by not being ran into the ground all season

If we’re going to spend on a RB, I’m to the point where it’s go big or go home. A Miles Sanders signing with his contract would have been maddening, but I can talk myself into Derrick Henry for a couple years. Just not sure what we’d be getting when our entire OL philosophy is based on pass blocking and athleticism …. But those light boxes though….

Ok.. if we want a power back but weren’t in on this, it makes me wonder if we’re really looking at a big fish RB.. which would be dumb, but we apparently signed a guy who’s better at RG to play LG so our RG who prefers LG can stay at RG. What do I know..

Zeke seems like the best fit, imo. Say what you want about him, but he’s a good short yardage back and we have a pass blocking OL.

A pick + Oliver would clear 5M when factoring on Jeudy’s hit. Could sign a DT with some size to a two year deal and fit him in with the extra 5M, that way we at least have one DT under contract for next year.

Marlowe is the only one I'd want on the 53. If we were better on the DL, I'd be open to the Phillips and Shaq, but Phillips can't stay healthy and we need more juice than what Shaq can give us. Everyone else, no thank you.

Health permitting, our Defense should be on par with the Jets and Dolphins. All could be Top 5 Defenses in the league. Therefore, Allen > Rodgers/Tua is the difference. However, our OL and WR room need another legitimate piece or I start to worry that the talent around those two QB's can start to offset the QB edge we hold. Regarding Burrow and Mahomes.. our Defense should be much better than their Defenses. Right now, both are ahead of us on Offense (IMO).

They'll tell you the Chiefs lost Brown, Wylie, Juju, Hardman, Clark etc.. and it's all true, but they were prepared for much of that and then signed Taylor. They'll tell you the Bengals lost their Safety duo, along with Hurst. All true. But they added a potential stud LT to an already good OL. They'll just dismiss the Jets and Fins.. and I might too. I still view the Bills as the top dog in the AFCE because Allen > Rodgers and Allen > Tua, but man.... those teams are crazy talented around the QB.

Can't really debate the Allen (or Burrow) vs Mahomes thing anymore as he's up 2-0 on the field, but I hate ... HATE... when any Bills fan concedes the argument. "He's no Mahomes" Mahomes has had better coaching, better weapons and a better OL year after year vs Allen. Maybe, just maybe, that has something to do with it. I didn't miss your point at all. "We had to let Edmunds and Poyer walk, while trading Oliver to address Offense because Beane hasn't fixed Allen's OL and weapons" Wouldn't be me. For one, good... please re-allocate. And two... Beane hasn't really done much, aside from band-aids, to address the OL and WR.

I've stated from jump this off-season that we should let Poyer and Edmunds walk AND trade Ed Oliver. I'm 100% comfortable shifting investment from the Defense to the Offense. Also.. we signed a one year Kromer disciple at LG as a band-aid... it failed spectacularly. That wasn't an attempt to fix the OL... and most of us are getting annoyed because there really hasn't been an attempt.

Currently: Mckenzie I'm actually fine with McKenzie as a WR5 or WR6, but our WR6 seems to need to be able to play ST's, and if he's our WR5, that means we are rolling with Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Harty as the Top 4... and that's not ideal. Not sure I see why he hasn't been cut yet, unless they want to make sure Harty can make it out of camp healthy. Oliver Oliver is the elephant in the room. Everyone sees it. Decent player, can be extremely disruptive if he has talent around him and he's healthy. Unfortunately, if any of that doesn't happen, he's a JAG. That 10M cap hit has got to go... everyone sees it, except - apparently - our FO. Nevermind the fact we have zero DT's under contract for '24, so nothing about how we're addressing the DT room at the moment really makes much sense. Basham Just because we used a RD2 pick on him doesn't mean we need to keep him on this roster. Nobody really liked the pick the night it happened, and they've been proven correct. We likely keep him because he's cheap, and maybe, maybe, he makes a jump... but signs aren't promising. Von may enter the season on the PUP list and unless Rousseau makes a huge jump, our pass rush being dependent upon Epenesa/Basham being his sidekicks for the beginning of the season isn't scaring anyone. Neal 3M cap hit for a guy who is a liability if Taron Johnson misses time. Special Teams Ace + Matakevich = 5M for those two. If Beane wasn't missing on Day 2 picks all over the place, sure, luxury spends... but that 5M is a first year cap hit for another IOL to compete with Bates.

I'm good with the Harty signing, if it means we're cutting McKenzie. If we go to camp with all them... yea, no clue what we're doing there.

I'd be interested to know if they've gotten any bites for a 1st. Ours being late 1st at 27 makes me definitely open to it. I'd much rather give up a 2nd and a Day 3 pick though.

This is where I am on the OL. Dawkins - Bates - Morse - McGovern .... that 4/5ths of a line is pretty solid, and still has untapped potential in the Guard spots... if we had a stud at RT. Brown has stud potential, but he's been a mess so far. Bengals (Brown), Chiefs (Taylor) and Dolphins (Armstead) all have a perceived stud Tackle... we don't. Nevermind the Chiefs IOL, which is the best in the league.

It absolutely is hard to accept, but it's where we are. I'd put WR and OL ahead of anything currently on Defense, but I don't think anyone but Wagner at MLB moves the needle more than another legit DE2/3 pass rusher.

The Bernard point can't be made enough. We literally drafted a LB in RD3 last year. Yet, we somehow still are unprepared for Edmunds leaving in Free Agency? Why is our Round 3 pick from last year not the obvious answer? I'm not saying he is... I'm saying it's pretty ridiculous that he's barely even in the conversation. Maybe he is... maybe Beane and McDermott are perfectly content with Bernard starting and we're just unaware... but, if not, the Bernard, Basham, Ford picks need to stop.. asap.

Agreed. For all the concern about MLB... if we must invest on defense, we really should focus on getting more pass rush. A) For if Von starts the season on the PUP list and B) So we have a legit DE3 to push Epenesa down to DE4 and Basham can either improve, be inactive or get cut.