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I'd be willing to extend Knox right now. I think he's got elite potential that will be realized and would be willing to take the gamble this offseason if it shaves a couple mil per year off his AAV. Oliver, I'm close but in wait and see mode. Edmunds I'm not close, but hoping to have my mind changed. Poyer, I'm pretty much indifferent to.

Agreed. Because you typically need high level play from pass rushers and cornerbacks to win rings. Not so much with safeties and linebackers. That's all I'm saying. If Edmunds balls out, let's pay him.. but he and Poyer should be last on the pecking order if Knox, Oliver and Davis also ball out.

Agreed.. but we are, as an organization, thinking about paying Poyer and Edmunds, but we can also agree that they aren’t difference makers in big games.. To me, they are luxuries. I think Edmunds can become a difference maker, but - so far - a difference maker, he is not. Im just pointing out that we can talk about all the intricacies of what our Safeties do, what Edmunds may do etc., all we want …. However we still needed a RD1 CB and to invest heavy in an elite pass rusher because those guys aren’t difference makers when it matters.

If/When Allen wins a ring, he will be viewed as the best QB in the NFL. Plenty of people around league circles already view him as such, and the ones who rank Mahomes ahead of him, typically do so based on his Super Bowl ring.

I agree with a lot of what's said here, but do we really care about having "the best defense" with guys like Edmunds, Poyer and Hyde apparently having all these complex assignments, when they seem to destroy mediocre Offenses - only to struggle against anyone with an elite QB and/or power run game? I'm confident we've addressed those issues with guys like Von Miller, DaQuan Jones, Kaiir Elam etc., but if the other guys are so valuable, we shouldn't be going into yet another offseason where we needed to invest so heavily on defense, no?

I certainly have no issue paying him if he balls out this year. We've seen how well the the large contracts Beane has handed out are aging. As long as you bet big on the right guys, it works out in the end. When you lose that bet, that's when you start running into cap issues. As of now, I'm ready to bet on Knox. I'm close on Oliver. I have no reason to think I won't be ready to pay Davis after this season (if it comes to that with how WR's are wanting to get paid heading into their final contract year). ..Edmunds is the only guy I'm iffy on.

As of right now, I agree. I'd feel differently about paying a MLB if he was a unicorn.. which is what we were/are hoping he is.. However, so far he's been a slightly above average MLB. To sign everyone, we need to be absolutely certain they are worth creatively structuring long term contracts that coincide with a growing cap. If we aren't certain, we have to let them walk or try to get them in on a shorter term/front-loaded or evenly-loaded contract, which means less flexibility in getting other guys in under the cap. I'm not paying Edmunds if it means losing Knox, Oliver or Davis, and I'm certainly not comfortable backloading a contract on a guy who hasn't shown he's worth top of the line MLB money that would require a creative contract from us given other priorities also coming due.

This is the issue. We're not evaluating Edmunds as a player in a vacuum.. We're evaluating him as a player on a team where if he gets paid, we may lose someone else. I do think he does some great things in the passing defense that go unnoticed with fans, but his age, potential and high likelihood of having a great year behind a strong DL means we have to quantify what he means to this team with what his price will be. That price will likely be high on the open market. He's a good player. Potential to be great. However, is he worth losing Knox over? Losing Oliver? Maybe we can get everyone in under the cap and Beane works his magic, but who knows what happens with Poyer and Gabriel Davis is also coming up, potentially, as early as next offseason. If he blows up this year.. Awesome.. you don't really get burned backloading creative contracts with young guys playing at a high level. However, we can't be having these same questions and still pay him what he will likely command.

He did. it was noticeable because that's the first time Frazier has mentioned that re: Edmunds. I don't know that we want a run thumping LB.. as those guys are almost getting phased out of the modern NFL. We just want him to be a bit better against the run, and to make a few more splash plays, if he wants to be a guy we dedicate some precious cap space to with guys like Poyer, Knox, Oliver and Davis all up or on deck.

I'm from Long Island, yet after a few years down south say y'all all the time... It just flows so much better than anything else in it's place.

Howard is definitely an upgrade at TE2, even if he isn't what some of us are hoping. Cook could be an absolute monster in this Offense. Huge, massive upgrade in the RB room. Our running game should also be much better this year with the addition of Saffold, hopeful development of Bates/Brown and Kromer as OL Coach. Sanders didn't give us much last year, so elevating Davis (who's potential is pretty high) gives us a 3-wide, at least as potent as last year.. with guys we could reasonably view as upgrades in Crowder and Davis. Overall, I think this Offense got much better in the Offseason... but Outside WR is a glaring issue once you get past Diggs/Davis, unless they believe they can just split slot guys out wide in this Offense and/or Shakir's rookie year plans are him taking on the Gabe Davis rookie/sophomore year role.

I completely disagree that we have plenty of bodies to pick up the slack if Gabe or Diggs go down for any period of time. I'm honestly shocked we haven't addressed outside WR and are going into the season with Shakir and Kumerow as the outside depth. Shakir is more of a chess piece than a true outside WR, which is a big part of the reason he fell to the 5th Round. Kumerow is a guy who is what he is... depth journeyman WR who plays Special Teams. Then we have three slot guys in Crowder, McKenzie and Austin (if he makes the team). Four if we count Cook as a WR option. All can flex outside, but are better suited inside. Stevenson is a true outside WR, but likely does not make the 53 unless he really impresses. We have a lot of weapons, but are bizarrely thin at outside WR for a team that throws the ball like we do. I'm sure we have a plan, but from the outside looking in, it's quite perplexing.

Did you just hit me with a bunch of pre-Roe stories, as if medical advances/technology have remained stagnant in these past decades and the current laws will be exactly the same? Only to follow those examples up with a bunch of stories from other countries? I appreciate the links and effort, but that’s not a serious response.

Can you give any examples of this actually happening, or are these just “proposed laws” of which people have only speculated upon the ramifications?

They aren’t going after contraception. Just like they aren’t going after interracial/gay marriage. These are fear tactics being used to rile up people now that Liberals realize they need to make known their abortion views without hiding behind Roe.

I don’t know how I feel about denying Communion to individuals with opinions counter to the Church, but I do agree with denying it to people like Biden and Pelosi, supposed Catholics, who are actively working to make America have the most aggressive abortion access in the entire world … something completely counter to the churches teachings.

Catholic and Evangelical Ministries are already stepping up efforts in these states to provide, not just help during the pregnancy, but 2-3 years of assistance for the mother after they have the child, plus help in getting them on their feet after. This is what’s needed. A community effort of like minded people that value life and put their money, time and attention where their mouth is. The government can’t solve all of our problems.

Gas Prices, Inflation, World Instability etc., not all entirely the fault of the Biden Admin, but he has absolutely made those things much worse than they needed to be.

The vast majority of this country supports abortion access through 12-15 weeks, with carve outs for rare exceptions after. States like NY and Cali won’t accept that. States like Texas and Missouri won’t either. We are witnessing the Balkanization of America .. and that may be a good thing. COVID Response Abortion LGBTQIA+ Bending of the Knee Education/Schooling/Children We have fundamentally different values that are increasingly incompatible as a nation. It’s better off that states become redder and bluer. Outside of flying up for a Bills game, I never want to set foot in Hochul’s New York again. Hopefully when “heartbeat” laws pass.. school choice etc, blue voters feel the same and move up north or out west.

Same reason straight white men can make the case that the Dem Party hates them. Far left legit seem to hate straight white men. No idea why any self respecting man of that sexual persuasion and color would align with those people. if you’re a gay person, you can find that same sentiment in the far right. Not a pervasive as the far lefts despising of us, but it’s there, in pockets. If Republicans were smart they’d make a play for the LGB folks who want nothing to do with TQIA+ and rainbow flag month.

Re: Roe’s affect on future elections.. Dems should tread carefully. They had the upper hand on Roe. R’s messaging on what Roe actually is, was terrible and Dems were able to effectively pull public support behind keeping it as the illusion of protecting a women’s right to choose from becoming women, everywhere, have no right to choose. It’s shocking how many people thought abortion would become illegal, and furthermore didn’t realize Dem effects to codify Roe included elective abortion up to the moment of birth. Now, the debate in red & purple states shifts to Republicans home turf. They run the risk of giving that home field advantage away when they push for total bans and no carve outs for rare exceptions. However, the states that push for first trimester abortion access with only rare exceptions being legal after will put Dems on the defense. The majority of America (and the civilized world) do not support elective abortion after the first trimester. Dems have tried to divert this debate under Roe, but no longer will be able to do so as in - say - Georgia, a state that polling suggests supports the heartbeat ban, Stacy Abrams is now running on abortion up until the moment of birth against Kemp… in a race she was already struggling in. Same for “Reverend” Warnock vs a weak candidate in Hershel Walker. Also at tremendous risk for the Dems.. rapidly expediting the move of Latinos becoming Republican voters.

Baker makes too much sense in Seattle. No clue why this hasn't happened yet. Pete Carroll loves to run the ball and play defense. They just need a QB who can make throws off play action and get the ball to DK/Lockett... Healthy Baker is not elite, but he can do that. In a weak NFC, that's likely enough to get them to the Playoffs. Seattle doesn't seem to have draft capital to really be heavy in the '23 QB Draft anyway.

Ill specify.. don’t understand why we have 3 slot WR’s and only 3 outside WR’s, one of which is Jake Kumerow. I get the forward thinking in roster building, but we have some strange depth right now (on the surface) behind a strong 3 wide in Diggs-Davis-Crowder.

I'm not super high on Shakir this year, simply because I don't understand why we have 3 slot guys on the team (not even factoring in Austin). Perhaps they view Shakir as an outside WR and he'll have the rookie Gabe Davis role. That being said, him falling to the 5th Round isn't a valid reason to downplay him, imo. Gabriel Davis fell to RD4 in an incredibly deep/strong WR class. Similarly, Shakir, a WR expected to go in RD3, fell to RD5 . Some of that drop was also due to teams unable to view, specifically, where to play him... as he played outside, inside, gadget and running back at Boise State.... jack of all trades, master of none. That being said, he's probably the most electric RAC guy on this roster. It's up to Chad Hall and Shakir himself to get him coached up enough to get playing time. I'm rooting for it, because we certainly could use someone else on the outside that isn't Kumerow or a smurf.

We likely win the Super Bowl if the defense wasn’t a paper tiger last year. Poyer was out there against KC. Didn’t do much of anything to stop them. I’d have zero issue trading him before the season, if it comes to worst case scenario and he won’t play out his contract. Having Von Miller, Tre White and Kaiir Elam out there this year will more than offset the loss of Poyer. Having a Safety like him is a luxury for a Super Bowl run, not a necessity. QB’s, Pass Rushers, Corners and Wide Receivers are necessities. Cinci beat KC with Burrow, pass rush and WR’s. LA then beat Cinci with Stafford, pass rush and Kupp.