Shaw66

It was a good move by the Jets. It cost them a lot to do it, and they had the #6. I'm sure the Bills were talking to the Colts, but the cost to the Bills would have been out of sight.

You should retire. Then you can watch this stuff all day and not feel guilty.

Rewarded! Keep looking and something happens. Foles gets a new deal. Still doesn't sound like a deal that would bar a trade, so the Foles option is still out there, I think.

Depends on whether the Bills' favorite QB is still on the board and if the Bills love him like the Colts loved luck. Personally, I think if the Bills move up, it will be to 4 through 10, not 2. Nope. Keep checking.

I think the Bills' next move is during the draft. That means as soon as the Browns' first pick goes up, the fun starts. Do the Giants stick, or do the Bills pick?

We know the Yankees are human and the Red Sox are from another planet. Didn't know THAT three months ago.

Unless they trade up and take a punter. THAT will surprise us. All other bases have been covered in previous threads.

I'll say. Nothing like two picks in the first round and a half dozen good quarterbacks to get people interested.

Goodness, gracious, all this draft talk has lured a lurker out from the weeds to join the fray. Welcome!

Oh, man, don't say it. Someone tell Beane not to draft The Black Panther.

The draft is like Christmas every year. Shiny new toy under the tree, all that. But this year, it's like there's a four-car garage under the tree and I'm hoping for a Jag, a Porsche, a Maserati and a Lexus for everyday driving with a big red bow on top.

I'll admit it: I have draft fever, bad. I'm coming here every day, every night, looking for news. Any trades? Any credible rumors? Did McBeane say anything? Are the Browns on the clock yet? Did Belichick fart in his sleep? I can't help myself. I bite on almost anything. GIVE ME SOME NEWS!!!! Will the draft EVER get here? Not here yet? How about now? Still no? This is agony.

Of course, but the truth is that the second and last post in almost every thread should be "Nobody actually knows s***." No, we were talking about the Jets game.

Jake Arrieta was a young pitcher with a lot of potential. The Orioles got him and tried to reshape his motion and his philosophy, worked with him for years and never got anywhere. He moved on to the Cubs, who said "go back to doing it your way," and he became an immediate success. It's not that the Orioles approach was wrong; it's that it's really hard to have success by changing what the player has done naturally for years.

I didn't study it. I did look at point 4, because I think I understand this point, and the article got it completely correct. Assuming for the moment that points 1-3 are correct, and they made sense to me, then you can understand why it's so hard to change mechanics when these guys get to the pros. If you've been throwing with a flawed motion since seventh grade, it's very difficult to reshape all that muscle memory and come up with a new motion that you use under pressure. It's tough. My son was a pretty good high school baseball player with a flawed swing. We studied and figured out the proper mechanics, and he practiced it a lot. Stepped into the batter's box in a live game, however, and his swing went back to the old flaws. Without the right mechanics, he never good generate the bat speed necessary to hit in college. That's why I said in the beginning of this thread that I take articles about changed mechanics with a grain of salt. A lot more people work on their mechanics than actually change them.

You can make it up if you want, but the rest of us trying to deal in reality here. In your world a touchdown pass to Zay Jones in the second quarter may count for 3 points, but for the rest of us, it's 7. And 15-21, a touchdown, and 7.8 yards per attempt over the first three quarters may be horrible in your world, but the rest of us call it something else.

Wrong. Here's what I wrote after the game: At the risk of starting a firestorm, what I really liked in the Jets game was Tyrod Taylor. We’ll see what the second half of the season, but I’m pretty much sold on him. Another night of excellent numbers. He was 29 for 40, 7.1 yards per attempt, 2 TDs. 109 passer rating. And before someone complains that he fattened his numbers in garbage time, he didn’t. Through three quarters, he was 15-21 for a 7.8 average per attempt, with one touchdown. 110 passer rating. In the fourth quarter he just continued what he’d been doing all game. And he made a bundle of excellent throws. Both TDs were delivered beautifully, one with zip to Jones and one with touch, deep, to Thompson. He had several excellent throws to receivers over the middle, including a couple to Jones, the fumble plays by Matthews and O’Leary. Plus, he’s in complete control. Never seems to be excited, runs the huddle efficiently.

You're right. It was the defense. Taylor was pretty bad against New Orleans, but he was really good against the Jets. Still, I'll put it on McD. Why change your QB when he's playing well and your defense is imploding? That's on McD. And whoever said it may have been Denison's call is right, too. May have been. And maybe it was just McDermott trusting his coordinators, and after the debacle he knew Denison was gone. But I can't buy that completely. McDermott was seeing the practices. He must have seen that Peterman wasn't playing like Aaron Rodgers.

Exactly.

Yeah, but trading up you can be sure to get both the stud you want and the QB you want. You're there, you have the draft capital to do it. If you can do it, why not? If it makes sense to the Giants, it could happen. However, if the Giants want a QB, it doesn't. I was a Browns fan before the Bills existed. I agree. But Bills first, please. I don't have a lot of time left.

Another possible scenario. Jets would hate it if the Bills somehow moved to 2 and took their guy. Of course, if the Giants want a QB, it's all moot. Then three QBs will go off the board in the first four picks, and the Bills may be looking at their 4th choice before they have a chance to do anything.

First, we don't know they'll take a QB. If they were desperate for a QB, there wouldn't be all this talk about them taking Barkely. And it really depends, as it does with every team, how they evaluate the QBs. Would you be happy with the third best QB in the draft? I think I would be. So if the Browns take Barkely at 1, the Giants know they can trade back to 4 and get either the third best QB in the draft or the best position player after Barkely, plus maybe the Browns pick at the top of the second round. It all depends on what and who is important to the Giants.

True. But if they don't a QB, they can move to 4, pick up a draft pick and still get the guy they want. Okay, fifth year. The point is that both picks become free agents about the same time, and if you've hit big on them, you'll have to invest a lot of money to keep them, whenever it happens. Doesn't mean you don't do it, because, as you say, you've had them for 4-5 years, and that's as much of a run as you can expect to have in the league. Look at the Seahawks.

Browns take Barkely at 1. If Giants don't want a QB they don't need to stay at 2. They can go to 4 and still get the guy they would have taken at 2.

Another fine example. To be honest, I know very little about the QBs and NOTHING about anyone else. Don't know who Chubb is, where's he's from or what position he plays. I at least can answer those questions about Barkely, but nothing beyond that. I just can't get interested. It's enough to know there are possibly four and maybe more good QBs in this draft, along with the usual two or three super-studs at other positions, guys who would be going 1-2-3 if EJ Manuel were the best QB in the draft. In that kind of a draft, you're going to see exactly what we've seen and will continue to see. Moves to get into position, and speculation about a lot of other moves. The Bills, beginning with the Chiefs deal last season, have put themselves in the mix. The Jets made a great move to 3. The Browns, of course, set themselves up beautifully. The Giants have a tough decision to make. Broncos seem to me to be a big wildcard. For fans whose teams are in the mix, is interesting, crazy, fascinating and fun. Now that's a really interesting point. If the Browns win big with their two first-round picks, their cap situation in four years gets very complicated. They'll have a $30 million QB and a $20 million running back to deal with.