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If I were to rank them adjusting for era as the game was different literally for each QB comparatively I would go as followed: 1. Bradshaw 2. Kelly 3. Allen 4. Big Ben The game is in a whole different world now compared to the 1970s. In the 1970s the top 3 QBs were Staubach, Bradshaw, & Tarkenton. Bradshaw has the hardware, was a top 3 guy, has an MVP, was all decade, 2 SB MVPs etc.. he carries the weight across the board both talent for the time and accomplishments. I understand todays generation does not understand how drastically the game has changed, but era wise Bradshaw was a GOAT the way Josh is with Lamar & Mahomes except Bradshaw has all the hardware too. After that Kelly doesn't have a ring but he has everything else and for his time was again with in that Top 3 group. Additionally at retirement only Fran Tarkenton, Dan Fouts, and Johnny Unitas among Hall of Fame quarterbacks had passed for more yardage, and only Tarkenton, and Fouts had completed more passes. His impact on the game with the K Gun was revolutionary for its time. And to Kellys defense he led the team down for GW FG in SB25, he did his part even if he had a good not great game. Allen is clearly top 3 in the league and him & Lamar flip flop daily it feels for being #2 after Mahomes. Things get tricky because he has no hardware and no SB appearances at this point. But Big Ben for as good as he was never got an All Pro (either 1st or 2nd), no SB MVP although he was good in their 2nd SB win, and during his time of play he was never in Brady or Peytons class. There was a legitimate argument that he was the worst of the big 3 in the draft of 2004 and got drafted to the best situation compared to Rivers or Eli which only helped inflate his accomplishments. Big Ben is going to the HOF in a few years, but to me he is in the really really good crop of players not era defining. Allen is going to finish era defining regardless of hardware which is why I can get him to 3. If Allen wants to crack the top 2 he needs some hardware though at this point.

This is a fair point and I would add this offseason really is big in terms of the next 3-4 years as they have a youthful core that needs a bit more to push it over the edge. My counter point though is the Ravens were better this year than last regardless of record yet flamed out a game earlier. Yes more talent and resources can be added so the team has a larger margin of error and weapons to work with, but opportunity cost is real. Odds are they are not making the AFC title game the next 3 years straight and Josh has played half his prime. You had a truly golden chance to punch that ticket and missed. It is just as hard if not harder to get back to where they were on Sunday. I am not willing to write off this season as pure positive because the expectation was reload/reset when the big dance was right there. My confidence is admittedly shaken in the team and 17 so I won't comment further, but logically your more on point as is Joe than many of us want to hear right now.

I let myself rage for the first bit after to get it out of my system. Now I’ll just move on to not focusing on football and eventually get back into it come august. Wont lie though the scars of this loss and failure to break thru have me giving up my seasons and in general pulling back. I’ll watch and go to a game or two but overall it’s not that serious and worth investing the way I have. I found accepting that has made it easier to move on and let it go.

Truth hurts doesn’t it. 17 ain’t got the goods and showed it again last night. Done ignoring reality, until he breaks through which he keeps failing at he is a choker and can’t do it.

3:32 and 3 timeouts can’t get it done. Last year fails when it matters vs KC. HOU in 2019. I’m over protecting or excusing Josh he owns the failure to. It isn’t gonna happen with him would rather regress then pretend it’s ever a reality at this point.

I’m out of juice with this team. Honestly the drought was easier because you were done by week 14 so whatever. Instead for years now teased of the big one with no result. Whether coaching or 17 they can’t do it and I’m over it at this point. Not renewing seasons and in general just stepping back as it feels like such a disappointing waste of time that won’t ever give a payoff.

Could care less. Trade him and get what you can, who cares at this point.

Yes he isn’t immune. He had the opportunity every QB asks for, but unlike Mahomes Brady Manning he failed. He’s had his chances to prove himself and hasn’t, he’s a choker until otherwise and they aren’t going anywhere with him.

Yep 100%!l agree. 17 is a choker and it isn’t changing. I use to defend him but at this point he’s had too many cracks without breaking through when he’s had the ball. Would rather trade him outright and be done.

Nothing changes. Rinse repeat good seasons only for coaching or 17 to fail us come post season. At this point blow it all up and reset from scratch as their not gonna get over the hump and zero reason to continue as constructed.

Agreed. Their offense is as diverse as Buffalo's and even if Hollywood has not played much and Hopkins is older (so is Cooper/Hollins) they are incredibly effective weapons.

Bills 27 Chiefs 21 Stress throughout, years coming off lives but the SB awaits

I think if they need to get into a game that becomes an aerial battle they will. The offense is finally so diversified it can do what is needed based on the opponent. I had not been able to say that with Josh until this year.

Buffalo's gameplan was logical and their best avenue to win. On a night with cold snowy conditions it favors running the ball as putting the ball in the air means potential for mistakes in that weather. The Bills basically said will take the clock and chances that you will make mistakes and that is what happened while playing super safe themselves. The fact the Ravens didn't do more of that explains why they fell.

I emphasize in the frustration of having such a great QB and not being able to breakthrough. That frustration and know you have a certain timeframe to get rings with them hangs until it happens or it doesnt and every miss adds to the frustration. I do not emphasize with this being the end of the world and their cursed or other crap I have seen. I have seen the Ravens win 2 SB titles in my life. Lamar right now is playing to win a title and etch his name as an all time great. Josh & this group are playing not only for that but to finally end 60+ years of pain and heartbreak which hangs over the franchise and city/area in general to finally win it all. The circumstances are vastly different and outside of Viking fans no other fanbase knows the feeling of being this close so many times and being 0-4 and the weight that sits there because of it. CLE/DET fans have had their misery but truthfully losing in the big game the way BUF/MIN has and knowing you were so close mixed with the other misses is another level of pain. Realistically odds are Lamar will break through one of these times and get his shot. At least while Raven fans wait they can count the rings and watch the highlight film in frustration instead of sitting here hoping for one in my lifetime.

Bills 32 Ravens 24 Enough has been said but in the end Allen wins the game, Lamar is great, and analysis after is overblown and stupid on both sides.

not gonna hold my breath haha

lol i know my bad Earl the Pearl!

Was waiting to see how I felt until end of week and with the All Pro snub which probably means no MVP Denver is toast. Not going into my long prediction because Buffalo now will be coming out like the gates of hell opening and Denver will never be truly close. 21-10 at half as Buffalo runs out quick with points, 35-17 finale and Josh is going to put up 4 TDs Bills 35 Orange Horsey People 17 Allen 24-30 350 yds 3 TDs 9 yds rush 1 TD

Stafford when younger I could argue ahead of Burrow but even that Allen Mahomes Lamar are untouchable at top 3 for the foreseeable future. Anddd this is not even mentioning Herbert who is in the next tier under the top 3 but legitimately may be better then every NFC QB (and I am not a Herbert fan myself)

Bills went 3-1

Eh seems pretty reasonable to me. He didn't predict WSH DEN lol GB has a good potentially great QB with good coaching and system. They almost have beaten DET twice now and KC is the immovable object until otherwise. The NFC is a toss up even with DET 15-2 as their injuries are real and honestly any of the team outside of WSH I could see reasonably in the SB. The AFC I will be stunned if the AFC title isn't KC BAL or KC BUF soooo yea pretty on point if you ask me.

Legit this would be the most stressful worst playoff game in the history of time especially with the fact the weather is a non factor lol.

I won't make major judgements for another year or two. Players change good or bad all the time. He has been a C+/B- to me year 1 and where we go from here depends on the work he does and growth he is willing to try and make OR not.

He is closer to #2 WR (his stats prior to injury were pacing for 800 yard 50 rec 6 TDs #GabeDavis!) but I still see your point and agree. Even if they resign Cooper who is older anyway Coleman elevating to a role he can be a #1 when called on is big on what moves they do long term for WR or not.