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That's your sample size? We needed a miracle play by Andy Dalton & Tyler Boyd to even have a chance that year.

We get it. KC's success is 100% due to Mahomes, not just the greatest QB in history, or the greatest athlete of all time, but one of the most amazing people to ever live on the planet Earth.

In 10 years, more people outside of Buffalo will evaluate the trade as, "oh, it worked out great for both teams!" Pretty sure on that one.

The Chiefs' SB success goes pretty well beyond Mahomes.

We should really have a separate "Chiefs angst" forum.

Those late '80's teams are some of my 1st memories. I agree w/ what you're saying here - at this point of my fandom, I have had plenty of entertainment from teams that either never had a chance, or had their chance but failed. But I still love watching Allen play, and watching this iteration of the Bills. Allen may not be the best of all time or even the best right now - but to me, he is the most entertaining QB to watch in NFL history. Maybe Fran Tarkenton comes close. I'm appreciating it. I love watching football every week now, and love seeing this team relevant again after the past few decades. I'm definitely trying to go into each season w/ more of a mindset of enjoying the games, and hoping for a title. I don't want to be in week 4 or 5 and thinking "none of this matters unless we get the prize." That said, I'll have no peace until we win it all. But that's kind of a separate concept.

I'm gonna guess that they can chew gum & walk at the same time, and focus on both having a great draft, and doing what they can in FA to strengthen the team.

That's awesome. Major kudos to him.

I do agree w/ this general sentiment. But the drought was brutal. I definitely got my hopes up every season, but it was only the homer in me. That was such a tough time, and something I NEVER would have imagined when I started life as a sports fan. To go through 2 decades of sharing a division w/ the greatest, most enduring dynasty of all time. Crazy. But, it makes me appreciate these days more.

I don't, which I'm sure might get some laughing emojis. I just think both guys are right for their teams. I think Allen has a better arm for the winds & conditions in Buffalo, and a tougher running style. I also think he's just a tougher dude, which suits our city. Mahomes is great & a good fit for KC. I wouldn't trade Allen for him straight up.

Pats fans did that for years. If the debate was Brady/Manning, it was all Brady, all the time. If it was about coaching, Belichick was the GOAT and chess/checkers.

This thread has veered ever so slightly into "overreaction" territory.

I mean, it's really a stretch to say pre-Mahomes Reid was ANYTHING like McDermott. He made a SB - and could have likely won if McNabb hadn't been sick & thrown 3 INT's. He went to 5 AFCCG's. We've been to one, in what seems like forever ago.

No one said he has to carry a bunch of scrubs. He didn't have a great WR corps this year, though. Harty & Sherfield didn't pan out. Diggs started off great, but wasn't close to himself the last few months; I am fairly sure he was trying to work through an injury. Davis is incredibly inconsistent, and was hurt at the end. All of the all-22 stuff for the Bills showed epic problems w/ the receivers getting separation. Sure, Mahomes had a similar bad situation there. But he had a much better D - certainly at the end of the season & in the playoffs. Allen has had to do more for the Bills than most QB's have to do for their teams. I really don't think that's disputable.

That one punt he had for us preseason was insane. Probably the best punter you could have when you're pinned deep.

Good pick-up. The only caveat is that he's just a boomer - not nearly as good at placement. I'd bet the Chiefs average punt position is far closer to midfield than most teams.

Maybe we can have a separate forum dedicated to Mahomes worship?

Also, any context on that? I did the search. The vast majority of references seem to be game threads, where Josh makes a great play and someone says "he's Superman!" Kind of like fans do the "he is HIM." Basically every fanbase does that. I also see quite a few "Allen needs to be Superman for us to win," or that kind of thing. I'm sure you'll search further to find ways to prove me wrong or something, but context is important on this one. There is far more "Allen needs to improve" on this board than "Allen can do no wrong," which our KC friend contended in his neverending quest for Mahomes credit.

The KC fans really adore ya. Thanks for the tip.

I don't think I've seen anyone here use the word "Superman," or even say he could do no wrong. We think he's a top tier QB. Which apparently you don't, since you said you don't think he would have done "much" with a team Mahomes won a SB with.

Maybe the fumble play. But it's incorrect to label the pass to Shakir "hero ball." It was the play design, and Shakir was open. You have to take that. I kind of laugh when people argue that he should have checked down and gone for a TD more methodically to wind down the clock. As though you can script that against a great D. A lot of bad things can happen, and great D's tighten up the closer you get to the endzone. That might have been the last open guy for a TD Allen could have seen. From the 10 or 5 yard line, if we made it there, he might have had to force it. You take the open guy when he's open. Fair. That's one - and a bit of a wash because that was only there due to the fake punt. Chris Jones made the game-sealing play. There was nothing like that on the Bills side.

The bolded is incorrect. He made the right choice. When you have an open guy in the endzone - you take that opportunity. He wasn't good in the AFC title game. Not that it matters that the top 4 receivers had injuries, w/ one playing on a broken leg. He was bad in the Cincy game. That is not disputable. He was the best player on the field for the Bills in this past divisional - and it wasn't close. I can't really name another player who made an impact play, except maybe Shakir. His other receivers dropped big passes. And who on defense made a real impact play, especially in the 2nd half? I can name quite a few other players on the Chiefs who made impact plays that game.

Of course, of course. Because, as we know - Josh Allen has to play perfect games for the team to have a chance.

You've said a few times that Mahomes isn't getting enough credit on here...no? At one point, you said no one here was giving him credit. Which you later corrected when it was pointed out that most here praise him.

You said McDermott is basically Cowher before he got Big Ben. Were you saying that Allen isn't close to Big Ben, and that for McDermott to take that leap, he needs a better QB? EDIT: and quite a few people think Allen played as well as or better than Mahomes in this past game. He had some big drops by receivers. And you left out his rushing stats. Allen wasn't the reason we lost to KC this year.