Rochesterfan

I agree with the thought that if you are devout - you tend to respect others of faith even if it is a different faith. I am pretty sure also if they are thanking God - the God is the same between the 2 faiths - Jesus is the difference - so as long as they are not all out there praising Jesus non stop - I think they can work this out.

They will I’ll be ok - if they are smart - they can recoup a 3rd via compensatory picks - just a year later.

I think the offense changes - the WCO was an Alex Smith thing. I think you are going to see Andy return to his original roots - thinking more like GB with Farve as a guide. Lots of deep passing and throwing it up for grabs. I think that fits more Mahomes style also and now you have a WR that can fit that - their version of Sterling Sharpe on the outside.

1 - Browns - Barkley 2 - Bills - Rosen 3 - NYJ - Darnold 4 - Browns - Allen I think this plays out and Cleveland is destroyed because they did not get their guy in Darnold.

I think the Giants have their eye on Barkley and 2 has probably been discussed with the Bills - but it is a draft day deal after Cleveland picks.

You don’t think they have already worked most of this out? Giants want Barkley- if he goes 1 we move to 2 and if Barkley is available at 2 we are going to 3. I think in either case it is for Rosen. I think they know that Cleveland is either Barkley or Darnold at 1.

They are not picking at 12 - not going to happen

Agreed - you also could not wait till draft day because they are not staying at 12 - they needed to move and now will be in further discussions with the Giants and Colts to get their guy. I believe it will still depend upon Cleveland at 1 to see their final spot - I think it comes down to Barkley.

I think it goes until pick one one comes off the board. I believe the Giants want Barkley. If the Browns take Barkley at 1 - the Giants move with the Bills and we get our choice of QB - I think it’s Rosen myself. If the Browns take someone other than Barkley - the Giants take Barkley and the Bills move to 3 with the Colts and take QB2 - I still think it is Rosen - I think the Browns would take Darnold at 1. I think they are playing things just about right.

Thank You - I was starting to pull data and you hit it. The move ups to the Top show a nice return, just as drafting those guys at that spot does without the trade up. Moving up to mid 1st and later yields worse results because the overall success rate is way down in that spot. The worst part of the entire thread is then when the OP comes back and says we’ll move up to 10 just don’t throw away the farm. Either you accept the trade up for a QB or you don’t - you can not say well the overall success rate for QB trade-ups is bad - so only trade up a bit - when that is the part of trades ups that have the worst return. If you are going up - Identify the QB you want at the top and go get him - that gives you the best chance at getting the best guy.

This is is what I said in another thread - I think there are a couple of problems - #1 being Haley. He is not a patient coach and he wants the QB to make the play in the flow - how many times has he and Ben gone at it because Ben holds the Ball to long - that will be an issue with TT also. Second he has WRs that got in QBs faces during seasons they were putting up big numbers and both WRs will have a chance at FA after this season and so they want numbers. If as we are hearing - Cleveland wants a run first offense and we know TT does not throw in volume - I see Gordon and especially Landry throwing a fit. Another big thing is that he is just a bridge - the expectations are to have him start until they can get their rookie in. We are not talking about designing and offense for TT as much as designing an offense for the rookie and TT has to play in that system for 8weeks or so. I think it will be difficult because TT needs a lot of time to develop with the receivers and if he knows it is only a short time until he is benched for the 3rd year in a row - I am not sure how great he will play. The last thing is that I am not sure this FO is locked into Hue and if they start off struggling especially in division games - I would not be surprised to see a coaching change meaning nothing is really on solid ground in that organization and I think that will impact TT.

I think Dorsey is given more range than previous guys - in the end Haslam as owner just needs to stay out of the way and let things happen. I just am not sure Haslam can do that - he already made the decision Hue would be back before anyone else could talk him out of that and if he keeps doing that - I can see Dorsey getting frustrated and looking for an out.

I am not sure the FO believes in Hue - I think if they had their choice Nagy is the HC and the entire staff is gone. Hue is still there because the owner opened his big mouth and said he would be back - neutering the FO from going out and getting their coach. Depending on where their bye falls - I think they make a switch mid year to get their draft pick some time and I think Hue is fired by seasons end. I think what you are seeing is the Browns trying to get as much salary on expiring contracts - so they meet the thresholds set by the NFL/NFLPA and then trying to play this year out hoping to get their Coaching staff next year and get some development out of their “franchise” QB. We will see how it all plays out, but this is a bad match-up division for TT with teams that are familiar and have beaten and held him down over his 3 years. I think they end up better, but overall I do not think TT is a fit - I think he is there mainly because of his contract and the length.

Not a chance - 200 receptions by Landry would require nearly 350 passes from TT just to that 1 player. Landry will be fuming at his 60 catches for 250 yards as the top WR - he is not soft spoken like the guys here - he wants his targets. Depending on how long they start him - I think with Hue on his way out and an OC that is notorious for getting into it with his QB if he is not doing what the OC wants - it is going to be a long and painful year in Cleveland for TT. I think by the end of the year both TT and Landry are gone and the Browns fans are thinking about the draft capital they spent on guys that gave them less than 1 year.

Yes, but those those teams changed Head Coaches to get a new vibe in the room. This is the same HC to take them to 1-31 and has been owned by the division.

I don’t think it matters in the moment, but after this coming season they will look back and be like what did we actually get for that draft capital we had. The Sabres went through something similar- we have tons of picks, prospects, and cap space and then all of a sudden you realize you wasted picks and space to get little return. I believe they have way overspent on players to make a push toward the middle of the pack and with many of these players on expiring contracts they will not recoup what they spent. If they hit on the QB - they won’t really know next year if TT plays and if they end up at 6 wins and change coaches do they set back the top picks from this year with a new system? We will see - they will be interesting to watch - especially as both Baltimore and Cincinnati have done a number on TT over his 3 years in Buffalo keeping his passing stats down and forcing him to play from the pocket.

I think the Browns are giving up a lot of assets for players that won’t be around after this year. I think they they will be better this year than last, but to give up a third for TT and pick up the option - cost them a lot and even if they win some games - he is likely there the one year. Landry is the same way - huge contract and 2 picks for a guy on an expiring contract makes no sense. I think by this time next year the Browns will be looking at these guys and hoping for Comp picks to replace them. I also think after winning 6 or 7 games they are going to be working to figure out the HC situation and that could impact the draft picks from this year if they hire poorly again.

He is still property of the Bills until Wednesday and the agents are not supposed to be getting offers until the legal period opens. My guess is if he signs in TB for these parameters - TB will lose a draft pick over this.

Tampering is allowed during the legal period. They are not supposed to be talking contracts at this point. It it will be interesting to see what the league does. The idea was the legal period opens and you can start talking numbers.

I don’t know - these moves reek of the Sabres trying to rebuild - they had so much cap room and assets that they gave away to much for not enough return. Landry, TT are really one year deals - gave up 3rd and multiple picks for Landry. I think they will will look back in 2 years and ask why did we waste so many picks for guys no longer on the team. I think they are getting eaten alive in these trades. Both the Bills and Dolphins were desperate to get rid of the players and the Browns gave up good assets for them. At least last year they took on the osweiler contract and got the picks - We will see, but this to me has been a bad/bad day from the Browns long term.

We will need to see - with all of the receivers they have - it looks like they would have been better with a quick release passer getting the ball out, but now they have the longest release in the league. Not sure what they will run, but they will most likely not turn it over as much.

The post June 1st savings do not kick in until June 1st though - so essentially you cut him, but his entire Cap hit is on you roster until June first - meaning they save nothing and still need to get under the cap. I believe Landry also signed his tender meaning that they can no longer rescind that to get cap relief. They either need to trade him and they now have lost all leverage or sign a long term extension, but even that hurts the cap this year. They may want to be in on Cousins, but there is almost no way without cutting a ton of other players and then they are not going to be as good so why would Cousins choose them. They are in a no win situation at the moment. Yep - this is exactly what I thought - no relief with a June 1st designation and Landry signing really hurt their flexibility. There is probably one team that could help them out if they really wanted to go after Cousins or to get under the cap and that is Cleveland. Similar to the Osweiler deal last year - they could work out a deal to take these big contracts off the Dolphins hands and get compensation rather than give up something, but the new GM is an NFL guy and not a money baller like the previous 2 years. I do not see any true NFL GMs using this approach, but it was how the Browns utilized a different approach under Sashi last year.

What did they really learn though (and this is the issue)? The player answered however he answered - he then gets asked by the media about dumb questions and this gets pointed out. The question will come out and the player by the sounds of it gave a measured response and laughed it off. Risk versus Reward - you asked a question that gets you very limited info, makes your team look bad, risks potential FA and UDFA from choosing your team, and after multiple times being told that you can’t do this risk penalties to the team. The line of questioning is is dumb and unnecessary - you want to get a rise - there are lots of football related ways to see if you can get a rise, if you are worried about fan or social media - they all have access- most of these guys have been on social media since high school and the NFL fans are not any worse than college fans - especially like with SEC rivalries or ACC.

The only disagreement with this is that in the NFL - winning trumps all. A guy like Belichick is more rigid and stern than Marrone could ever be, but he wins - so it works. If Marrone keeps getting the Jags to the playoffs - it will not matter what his ego is like - the players will play. Belichick has sat players that were late late during a blizzard even when they called to say they were coming. When the area got blanketed this winter - there were articles about guys “opting” to stay at the hotel on site just to make sure they were on time. There was also the fact that he fined and punished players that celebrated scores - I mean how strict and controlling do you want, but he gets away with it. Either style will work - the issue is consistency and preparation. The players will adapt if you are consistent in your style and you prepare them well and you bring about wins. The biggest issue with Rex was a complete lack of preparation- it showed and the players responded negatively.

Agree - this year was huge.