Rochesterfan

I think the Eagles and Foles talk and together decide what they want to do. Obviously the Eagles think very highly of Foles and my guess is if he has a desire to try and start again - they will work out a trade. If Foles says he loves his role and wants to be in Philly for his teammates- they keep him around. It is a business first and foremost, but I think there are some coaches that care and listen and if a guy is a great teammate- they work things out to benefit both parties. Foles has shown himself to be a good leader and teammate and I think that is valuable- so if he wants a shot - especially if Reich takes the Indy job - maybe you make a trade and Indy uses their top pick for a QB and sells off Luck for future draft capital.

Problem is that is not PI at most that is illegal contact since the ball is not in the air at that point. They could of had an extra play, but I think it was a good no call.

Correct - that was not an error - that was good clock management. This is the issue and The Eagles did not take advantage and I thought they would. The stoppage just before means means any play gets to the 2 minute warning and you are not penalized for an incomplete pass. This play is missed by too many coaches weekly.

That is bull. If you watch the Benjamin play - he does not catch it cleanly in his hands and bring it to his body. The ball hits his hands (no control) and bounces toward his body. It is not until he secures it to his body with his left arm that he gains control. If he cleanly catches it with his hands it is a TD, but he does not. Looking at his toe at that point it is questionable whether it touches the ground or not once the ball is secured. The issue is deciding the exact moment of control. If you give him control the absolute very second it gets to his body the toe is maybe touching - if you extend that even a fraction of a second - it is not. I think they got the call right - it sucks, but it was a close play and if Benjamin just catches the ball it is easy, but he does not catch it cleanly.

I believe he checked with the ref and was considered ok - not illegal in that case. I don’t think there was any issue here. Agreed - I see the ball move, but it does not leave his possession. There is no true bobble or a period where the ball is out of contact. I thought it would be ok because you don’t see that look like he is fighting to keep control. The Benjamin non TD to me was because he first gets the ball in his hands, but in bringing it to his body there is a clear period of time the ball is not controlled and therefore required him to regain control which is the sticking point for the TD. Clement maintained control to me so they ruled it correctly as a TD. I thought the refs did a pretty good job all game getting those calls right.

It is not bashing him because he did not know -it is bashing because he complained it was not a catch as if he knew. If he had had said boy I am not sure - it seemed like a catch - there would be no issue. He kept on about it not being a catch. To me even if you did not rule him a runner - there was never a shot where the ball hit the ground - it bounced up from his hands and then he caught it on the fly again anyway. It was a TD every way, but CC was just dead wrong.

Agreed - exactly correct

In terms of QB play - Give me Bledsoe. He was by far the best QB we had. If we are truly looking at QB play - then Orton and maybe Fitz top TT. If you are looking at team offense then TT passes Fitz for sure and he and Orton sit close with TT probably moving to 2nd because he did it longer. TT has been the QB of some top scoring and higher DVOA offenses, but for 3 years with him at the helm - the offense goes as the running game goes. We had the top rushing attack 2 years out of 3 and the third year it was top 6. The passing attack which is what most QB are measured on has been bottom 5 on average throughout and bottom 3 twice. TT does have wins to his credit also. The real question is how you want to judge this position during the drought. There are many different ways and therefore many different opinions and each person can be looking at something different and get a different outcome. If I need a drive through the air late to win a game - Bledsoe and Orton come way before TT. If I have a lead and need to milk a 4th quarter - TT is better than the others because he does not make mistakes and can run. Fitz is perfect if you are looking for that late drive that ends in an Int. For me me out of the QB position - I want a guy that can throw the ball and make plays and TT has had plenty of talent - significantly more than Orton or Fitz- and has done less in the passing game therefore for me the order goes: Bledsoe, Orton, then TT and Fitz at 3 and 4. There are easy arguments to make to shift people up or down based upon your particular slant.

How about Gronk - post game thinking about retirement- that would be great.

I appreciate that and I have no issue with you coming on here to discuss things and you have been very professional in that approach. I do have an issue with you starting a thread linking your own pay content, but understand that also. I was a regular BN subscriber for years - I have stated my opinions on the writers there -I think they have issues with to many things from past experiences and it clouds what they write. You do provide the most content of any outlet around, but when ther are at least 4 writers that I can’t stand it makes the content much less. I have found other sources in both Rochester, Syracuse, and other websites with writers that I believe provide a better and more inclusive view point and that is where I go and that is for me. I have chosen where to spend my time and money -it is the same with Radio -I no longer listen to afternoon drive on WGR - Schoop and the Bulldog provide next to nothing, but I could listen to Sal for hours. Therefore I pick up national and Rochester talk which is less in depth, but overall a better experience. You are correct the customer is not always right and I appreciate you listening and just want to ensure you understand that I love having you on the board because you have a different perspective, but that was never my issue with this thread. I also do get Get that you have multiple interviews that turned into an article, but much like Race was only a small nuanced part of earlier articles - that and TT refusing a pay cut are what get messaged out because I believe that will drive more clicks than a link than saying we have an interview with TT coming up. It is not the main emphasis of the discussion, but it is what will catch readers eyes and that is the job to drive readership - the issue is then that is what gets discussed and people get angry. It it seems to be the nature of the modern world and that is ok as long as people on both sides understand the consequences.

Yes but saying he did not deserve any votes and if you think he deserved a vote you are a massive homer is wrong. It is not being a homer to think that he should have gotten a vote or two as part of the consideration - he did a heck of a job.

The issue is that this was being discussed in another thread - with the article already linked. The OP did not like the way that was going because once again the BN released a very poorly worded teaser tweet and that caused issues. Josh should not create a thread linking a pay article for his own company. That would be like cover1charging for his service and then linking his coverage - it should be against the terms of service. If someone else wants to link the article or if Josh wants to defend the writers that is fine, but do not link a pay article with no discussion- that is slimy. My biggest issue is this is not the first time a BN article has a teaser sent out that then Josh has to come and defend the coverage because the teaser makes it sound worse and does not meet the point of the article. The issue is they need to do either a better job of tweeting out teaser material or accept the criticisms that come with poorly worded tweets. It happened with the race article and with a McCoy article where the tweet made it sound like a major issue and Josh had to provide better contents to understand it better - to me that is a huge part of the problem - they send out click bait leads and then get upset when people have not read the article get mad. We saw it with Hap just a week or so ago. Maybe the BN needs to do a better job at the click bait or maybe they need some new writers that are not so cynical and already leave a bad taste in people’s mouths.

I would disagree with this - he did not deserve to be COY, but he deserved consideration. I personally think top 5 coach of year candidate for McDermott. I think they got got it right with McVay. I also think Minnesota, Jacksonville, Philadelphia- all should have gotten looks just like McD. Suggestioning he should get a vote or two is not being a homer - trying to argue he should have won may be. I thought the NFL got all of the picks right - no real surprises - wish Wentz had stayed healthy because I think he could of been MVP, but he didn’t.

I agree - the stuff I have seen have suggested the Browns were willing to trade for Smith and perhaps do a short term deal, but I do not think they wanted a 4 year extension (my opinion). The Browns are drafting a QB - that is why the new GM is there. They would not have given Smith that extension and waste 4 years of QB time at that cost - again my opinion. The Redskins were not in a place to get a top guy - so the four years for Smith makes more sense - play him and in a year or two draft a guy.

I am not sure I believe this. The league does not allow trades until the new year starts and Kirk Cousins at that point woul not be under contract. Alex Smith can happen because he still had a year left on his contract, but there are rules for guys that have been franchised. Unless there is a window that Washington could sign him before the start of the new year and then trade him afterwards - this seems phony. Even then there would be potential salary cap implications unless the contract is written specifically to prevent that with the trade - such as base pay to start the year - signing bonus after the trade.

Between this and the press conference thread - you have a ton of people just looking to make crap up and try to fit it in and throw blame everywhere. The Bills are trying to screw Eric Wood - or maybe if he retires before the start of the new season they do not have the cap space and would have to recoup. Maybe by waiting they can work together to make sure he gets what he needs. Maybe the conference was delayed to allow his agent and the NFLPA work with the team to find the best possible solution- it does not have to be nefarious. Maybe Gil Byrd was let go (similar to Dennison) because he was not the first choice and a guy that McD really wants became available. This is a business and sometimes in your initial hire you settle and good teams look to upgrade - it does not mean McD did not appreciate his staff and does not make them racist as some seem to suggest. Everyone calm down and let thing play out for a bit - still lots going.

Wait come on guys this is legitimate- you just need to add 2+12+28 - see all the two’s to know the Bills and Rams are going to rescind the Sammy Watkins trade because Beane is willing to let go of a sure 2nd round pick to try and get a 3rd round Comp pick in 2019 to prove to Bills fans that he understands the value of Comp picks. Come on this is all so clear.

This makes no sense at all Marshal Faulk whined about it on the NFL network itself originally- why would CBS or Fox keep a complete lid on it. Besides there are a bigger percentage of former players out of the league and you hear next to nothing - you don’t think something would come out with disgruntled former players either on the team or playing that team. Real tin foil hat stuff here. Agreed - we known Belicheat is well known for taking his advantages to the edge and then well beyond into cheating territory - they have been repeatedly caught and punished for that and it would not surprise me if something else is found before the end. I just do not believe it is a league sanctioned thing or that the league in anyway condones or pushes the Pats to win - that to me is crazy. If you told me there is a bad ref - much like basketball- I could believe that maybe, but it does not happen with one crew and there is no way 1 single ref could have that much impact - even if it is Riveron in NY - to impact enough games to make a difference.

I would love love to see this happen, but I think you are very wrong to assume any amount of sensors could have any kind of accuracy calling a game. There is just no way. How would it decide catch versus non catch - at what point would it know and at what sensitivity are things set. The Pats fumble is a perfect example - it was clear the ball was loose, but when his knee was down he had the ball pinned to his leg - what algorithm is going to be able to decide if he had possession or not - there was pressure - so to the sensor the ball was in possession. A sack could create a similar situation with a fumble, but the ball in between two bodies and sensors can feel the pressure - it would not know if it was the QB or the Defender putting that pressure on. Embedding sensors in the field cause another issue as fields change throughout the game - a grass field gets torn up in spots so how do you keep it calibrated correctly - also you get games like the snow game and there may be 5 inches of snow on top of the field and that will have huge implications on calls. Someday maybe when the game is played with robots and in a cyber field maybe this will work, but I do not think it is anyth8ng close to usable for the foreseeable future.

This has been going on for years and there is no conspiracy. Better teams get better calls. Fans of teams that lose complain. There is nothing worth noting here. In the 90’s The Bills and the 49ers got more calls not because of a grand scheme - they were better teams and when a play was close things broke their way. People can complain about the calls, but for example Pittsburgh and the TE - based upon the current rules - they got the call correct - so it was not a conspiracy it is a guy falling down that lost control of the ball. The NYJs game - you have the TE lose control of the ball before scoring and by the time he regains control he is in the air and lands out of bounds in the end zone - it was the correct call again - it sucks, but it was correct. People complained mightily about the Miami fumble and the player touching it out of bounds - was that a league wide conspiracy also or was that the league getting the call right. Heck even the Benjamin play if you legitimately look at it was very borderline and I can understand why it was ruled the way it was - control of the ball is always the issue and there is no way to conclusively get that right - it is almost always a judgement call.

Agreed - I am guessing they will work on stretching and placement in his pre combine work and it will be bigger when they measure at the combine. One of the biggest issues I have with the combine is how everyone gets specially prepared for it. It is why the wonderlic scores of QBs like Marino and Kelly look so bad compared to guys coming out know. These guys take tons of prep tests and work on their weak spots and if a top end QB has a lower score today - that is a bigger issue than 20-30 years ago.

Yes because we almost won the Super Bowl the last 2 seasons with all of that talent. Oh wait - we missed the playoffs- how can that be with all of the talent we had - maybe they are not leaders and the team lacked leadership. Maybe the talent is not as important as character. Maybe a troll is a troll and we get to read garbage like this. Goodbye!

Based upon your above scenario - I would probably wait, but Rudolph would not be horrible. I do not want anything to do with Jackson.

Exactly - you basically eliminate the big play - anyone that is beat just tackle the WR. This is especially true at the end of the game - it would have killed the end of the Saints game and probably the Baltimore/Cincinnati game that got us in.

Just heard this - Crazy, very interesting to see if they are looking at McDaniels or what they are thinking. It would suck for them to go all in and not get what they need.