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This in my opinion is always a bad look for the team.

You could be right, but I think they really like Feliciano and Long and if Ford finds more playing time at guard - you have the option to let Spain walk. He was on a 1 year “prove it” contract. The Bills have a number of FAs this year (smart job by Beane with a lot of Short contracts) and I think they will be close as I think they would rather get talent in the draft. I think they will have a chance to get a comp pick, but they need to lose value to make it worth it. That is where a player like Drake would be nice, but only if you get assurances from his former teammates that he can settle into a RB by committee role.

I find this stuff to be fascinating. I only think it is a bad look for the Jets because the player specifically got the info released to look that way. In reality - it does not seem the Jets are wrong in this - they diagnosed the issue and through either interview or pre-trade means - assessed that the damage was there prior to the trade and that he played through it before and earlier this year. The player wanted a second opinion and the Jets allowed it and the second doctor agreed with the first. The player in being benched (partially due to the injury perhaps or maybe he because he is not that good) decided he was done with the team and went out and found additional doctors that gave him the opinion he wanted - which if I remember from previous cases is against the CBA and his contract without the approval of the team. I understand the pain and frustration- especially at being benched and wanting to get this cleaned up to be ready as a FA, but my guess is if the Jets were winning or he was still starting - he hums a different tune here. This smacks of a player frustrated with his role and results and a team looking more at the small picture rather than the big picture. The team could take the high road as the player is not part of the long term plans and let this get done, but they have chosen to fight it and although I do not think they are wrong - I think they lose more than they can win. Sometimes it is just better to look at the big picture and say - ok let’s put you on IR and get you cleaned up and let’s poach a PS player that maybe is not as good, but has a future. I see similar issues with the Bengals and Cordy and Jacksonville and Ramsey.

I would rather grab his arm - not his nuts - if you don’t mind. This is not a football pile-up here. ??

I don’t know exactly what the Dolphins are looking or in return, but I would be talking with Frank Gore, Jordan Phillips, and Vincent Taylor about how he would fit in and how he was in the locker room. The Dolphins are going to lose him for nothing because of the number of FAs they are going to need as part of the rebuild. If the Bills could get him for a conditional pick 5th becoming a 4th if he re-signs then I would be fine. If he walks after the season - Buffalo may have a shot at Comp picks for him and Spain. Don’t know if they will deal in division or not, but if the former teammates think he can fit in - then I think it would be an upgrade at this point.

To me this is a good reason to trade for him from Buffalos perspective- especially if they plan to resign their own and not spend big on FA. Trade a 4th or 5th - use him to get better this year - try to sign him at a reasonable cost or let him walk for a potential Comp pick. You can recoup most or all of your cost, but you have to know what your plan is for next FA to make this work.

I think he really meant he was going to make 12 different teams regret letting him play for them in his career. He is going to out Fitz our own Fitztragic.

Looks like some very bad QB play is up coming. Unless they have a new idea - the offense is going to be pretty bad with he QBs allotted. I do not look forward to this at all.

In reality with dead cap hit - only Cooks is a potential out in 2021. Gurley and Donald are really locked in until 2022 and Goff is 2023 before the dead cap is really acceptable. This is the team for the next couple of years and if Ramsey isn’t gong to get paid then I will be shocked because that is all he talked about before the season began. Even if he does play on the option those 5 players still account for 109 million of a 200 million cap - they are going to lose a lot of good depth after this year.

You honestly believe that Ramsey- who has made it clear (see Brinks truck) - will play on the 5th year option? I do not see anyway when he just forced his way out of Jacksonville by skipping games with a “bad back” that he suddenly is ok with the option year. So that really leaves the Rams paying him or trading him ala Bell. I could easily see him waiting to sign his option - then claiming bad back issues and sitting out the year to force a new contract. He has already shown himself to be a me first player. Yes they can get out of Gurley and Goff’s contracts in 2021 with still dead cap hits and no 1st RD picks in 2020 or 1st and 4th in 2021 - meaning they have no way to replace them. The Rams are stuck in a win this year window because even as the cap goes up - so does the cost of retaining and bringing in players and you have traded away the cheapest way of replacing them.

The problem as I see it is not with either the player or the return - it is where in the the contract the player is and how your team is made. Ramsey being in the last year of his contract and wanting (as he has stated) to be the top paid CB puts a ton of pressure on the front office to make that happen. They already have the highest paid DT, RB, and QB for next year and one of the highest paid WRs. Add to that 17-20 million for a CB and you will potentially have 5 guys taking up 112+ million of your salary cap next year. That is close to 60% of your cap space on 5 guys. ? They also have a ton of FAs that they will potentially lose after the season and part of their decline this year (and yes they have declined from last year - some what significantly) was the loss of O-Line and D-Line talent due to paying their other top players. I think realistically they have this year and they are good enough to make a run, but with their recent struggles and losing 2 division games and a 3rd NFC game - it looks like a long road to get into and win again this year. Then they lose more quality players and depth and even with top end talent they will begin to decline faster and faster. I get the sentiment of the Rams got talent in the trades, but the NFL is about the team and team is about more than 5-6 guys taking up most of your cap.

The biggest issue I see @NoSaint is with the Sammy trade they expected to be able to resign him, but he waited and got a better deal elsewhere. That caused the Rams to miss out on some FA WR - then then had to panic and trade an additional 1st for Cooks and then overpay for him. They did not seem to learn because now they have traded for Ramsey, but his contract is still up after this year. This is like doubling down on Watkins because of what they gave up. The Rams have to be willing to pony up top CB money to keep him (and hope he does not make it to the FA market) and although he makes them much better the teams that they are behind in that division both are top 10 in rushing offense and have beat the Rams already. The signing of Cooks and the contracts to Gurley, Donald, and Goff - lead to additional Cap decisions to let some quality on the Oline go this year. If they sign Ramsey to a huge, long term deal - which they can do if they spread it out right - they are going to lose even more quality and depth next year. If they make him the highest paid at 17 - 20 million per and make it work out - they will lose guys like Fowler, Whitworth, Brockers, Talib, Etc. It really gives them a tight window with their talent to this year. They will then have to let some or most of their FAs go and replace them with lower end players and the overall team depth gets worse. I think you are already seeing the effect this year with their O-line being significantly worse and Goff and the running game looking worse. They also lack the resources to address the issue and draft guys to fill those roles. I don’t hate the move if they can win the SB this year, but I think it begins to shut their window for being an elite team to this year and then they will have a bunch of superstars with little depth and they begin to fade to middle of the road.

Like Watkins - that cost them a bunch and they still lost him. Did not recover the sunk costs. Plus it led to a panic trade of a first for a WR the next year.

At least we understand the earlier trade. Just insane to pay that much for a CB. Rams FO is crazy with the trades of picks.

I really do not get it sometimes. The Rams which seem weak on CBs the last few weeks - trade a CB to the Ravens. The Browns whose O-Line has been terrible and is its biggest weakness trades a center to the Rams. I seems both teams just doubled down on their weakest parts and why do team want an unused player from a weak spot on another team. Seems like the Zay trade all over again. Weak Spot we trade away - what are the other teams expecting.

This is blatantly untrue. There were 3 straight calls against the NYJs on the drive - all of them correct. Then there were 2 straight calls against Dallas, both of which were correct. That put Dallas in a 1st and 27 and then Jamal Adams was overly aggressive and got a call against him. The calls were not bad calls and for the most part they were not even questionable. I am not sure what the Refs are supposed to do - the Jets were all over the receiver long before the ball arrived. Are they supposed to ignore it because they have flagged the other team already a couple of times. I get it there are some very questionable calls, but try an suggest it was inappropriate to flag the Jets on that drive or they were trying to help the Cowboys - ignores logic and the fact that 2 of the calls went against Dallas.

To me it isn’t the topic - it is the OP dropping the thread and then disappearing. If you ( @GunnerBill) started the thread - gave your opinions and then discussed it back and forth - the thread has meaning to you. This poster in his last 5 posts - has started at least 3 threads and never once followed up or spoke again on it. It has been left to you to decide what he is asking and how you want to interpret the question. For me - I will interpret it my own way. I would love it if Josh is by far the best and longest lasting QB in his draft class. That is how I see Stafford. The numbers do not matter - he ends up by far as the most successful QB in that class and if I can say that about Josh - then I will be happy because they made the right choice. Other than that - the stats will come or not, the wins will continue, I just want him to far exceed any other QB in that draft.

I will respond to the troll with quote by @Chandler#81 in the last thread of his that he closed about an immature JA that the OP does not think has IT. The OP does not seem to care drops a turd and leaves with no opinion. Personally I think it is ridiculous at this point - I would not mind the longevity because that means he is good - want more from the team. From his previous threads: Report post Posted September 4 Not surprisingly, the OP dropped this bomb of a thread 8 hours ago, then quickly disappeared and hasn’t returned. He/She now won’t return for a month. If you start a thread, stay with the thread. Interact with posters views on your topic. The extremes are this crapfest and @Alphadawg7‘s 80 pager on Zay. He stayed with it as a mature person should. This thread -and the OP- gets flushed down the commode.

It was not a challenge - the issue seems to be if there was some question about replay or NY getting involved. There was a turn-over - so although they say there was no “replay review” was not involved - with the turnover - replay and NY can be involved. They ruled it as Pass Interference and there is a rule to allow that to b discussed and overturned. They do not have the power to then go back and reverse the call and say it should have been holding. I think if they had all gotten together and made that choice before moving the ball - it might have been ok, but I do not think after enforcement they can just arbitrarily decide to go back and call it holding. The problem as I see it (and this was alluded to by guys like Steratore in preseason) is the rule is not designed to get a call right as written, because you can not correct an obvious foul for holding, illegal contact, etc. - it is designed to verify calls as made on the field or to catch blatant misses and even that has been up for debate with things like Thursdays missed PI call live and on review.

Because the correct call as the ref announced was probably holding, but that was not what was called and that is not reviewable because the coaches and GMs in their wisdom created a bad rule that does not work. The PI was incorrect and could be reviewed and overturned.

That is not correct though - it was a turnover with a penalty- all turnovers are automatically reviewed. I agree they should not be looking at PI, but the coaches and GMs decided they wanted PI reviewed - so on a turnover PI can be reviewed as part of the turnover. If they had ruled holding or illegal contact and this occurred - I would cry foul, but because it was called PI and a turnover - it is certainly up for review and discussion. The replay official should have buzzed down to discuss and if there was an issue - it should go to NY for clarification. The problem is the coaches and GMs on the competition committee do not think about impact they saw the NO play and way over reacted and it leads to this. I believe there are many issues because they cannot review holding or illegal contact - so if that had been called - no review and the play is reversed. Additionally if the ball had not been intercepted or a TD scored - the PI would have need to been challenged to get a review, but in this case they actually did the correct thing. The problem is all with the wrong call on Kelce - should have been defensive holding and all of this goes away.

All this tech would just lead to more issues. If the contact is holding the force might be negative. It could be contact from someone going up to make a play. The contact could be initiated by the offensive player. You are still subject 100% to someone having to look and then try to interpret the data. Sensors on the field and in the ball - you still have to determine down by contact or when events occurred. Looking at force - for example is a player down - well if the player is not hitting the ground - you might mis-spot the ball especially near the goal line. The sensors in the ball also need to look in regards to balls shape and how it is being held. There are limited things where the tech could help, but you are asking for more stoppages to look at the data and even worse a flag coming out 20 seconds after a play as the other team is getting ready to snap the next play. You think it is bad now - the conspiracy theories will go through the roof as a questionable play is suddenly flagged because of questionable tech data - that is not verifiable by the home audience or the people in the stadium.

Where are you getting your Coffee? I am not sure, but if you go to Starbucks - that would mean the Browns are worth about 6 bucks. LOL

No, No, No, and No to Rex in Washington. Come on guys - Cleveland is where Rex should go. He and Baker already in full communication across the Media. Perfect Fit!

I just love the fact that there was no media present - so it is not designed to be a photo op. It is real. I also love two small schools - typically groups that get ignored by high level players and here is a QB on his bye week making their entire year. GREAT JOB!