BullBuchanan

Is terrible to judge decisions based on process and probability? Interesting. See my above response to Rampage about the lottery.

The beginning of the end wasn't dictated by the Adams trade. That wouldn't happen until Wilson's drama the following season. At the time Schneider had a good-not-great team, but still had Russel Wilson playing at a Pro Bowl level and a lot of young talent in an NFC without. Chris Carson was a rising star along with DK Metcalf, and Tyler Locket was rising as well. They had some aging but strong talent on the defensive side of the ball in their front 7 and had promising Quandre Diggs coming off his first Pro Bowl nod. Schneider and the Hawks had every reason to believe they could compete, and so trading future capital for one of the best young defensive talents in the game was probably seen as a worthwhile gamble to maximize their chance of of taking advantage of a window provided by a combination of veteran leadership, young talent and an a perennial PB QB. Was the cost high? For sure. Was it too high? Maybe so, but the Jets had the leverage. Early returns were pretty positive for the Seahawks. Adams had 9.5 sacks and they went 12-4 and lost in the playoffs. Had they won it all, or even advanced a bit further, I'm not sure that the trade is looked at so negatively. Of course 2020 saw Wilson and the hawks fall apart and the writing was on the wall that the window was over and Wilson was all but gone. Adams getting hurt in 2021 and again now makes it really easy to start casting blame, but at the time I'm not sure you can fault a GM for adding a massive piece to their defensive to combine with an offense that looked like it had everything it needed. He had 9.5 sacks for Seattle his first year - the same amount Von Miller had last year.

Sorry, but it's simple people that don't have the ability to consistently reproduce results that judge decisions based on what happened instead of the probability and a sound process. You'll find a lot of company in people who like to play the lottery and slot machines with your line of thinking.

Judging actions in retrospect is stupid.

Clearly not since they gave us the last gen version of the game for the 2nd year in a row.

So, I can objectively support my opinion with data from multiple sources and all you've got is your anecdotal perspective based on zero hard evidence? Sorry dude, Edmunds is not good. The numbers tell that story, and the people who understand what they're watching are reading it. Apparently, Beane is following it too since his Benjamin Button linebacker is in his 5th year with no contract.

The dude's in his 50s...

Why do you think that?

And what is the justification for your opinion?

Change TB's name with Kelce and there's your answer. He's the greatest TE in the history of the game and it's not close. He redefined the position the same way Tony Gonzales did before him.

Why didn't we just stop Tom Brady for 20 years? It was incredibly obvious he was the key to the Pats dynasty, and yet our coaches didn't do anything about it.

That's objectively false. He isn't even the best on his own team. Milano destroys him in coverage. Edmunds allowed a 78% completion percentage and a QBR of 106 last season compared to Milano's 55.2% and 71.9 QBR respectively. This is reinforced by PFF rankings which don't put him in the top 20 linebackers in the league. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EdmuTr01.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MilaMa00.htm Going back to what I said, his athleticism makes him a much better coverage linebacker than he would be if he was half a step slower. All the wrong first steps he takes and the additional time he uses to process the play is often offset by a degree because of how big and fast he is. Given that he's been in the league 5 years, I don't see that part of his game making significant improvement. He just doesn't process accurately enough and fast enough to be an elite talent. He's the kind of player that will fall off a cliff right out of the league on an afternoon where he's a shade slower than he was the week before. I hope we aren't the ones to make the mistake of paying him like the elite player he isn't.

He claims he's lost weight. I guess he played last year at 285. Bills have him listed at 281, but that may be out of date.

I don't think he would have been any better at all. His Chargers teams were all-time great teams. Statistically, Rivers is a top 4 QB all time who was playing with a top 10 all-time RB along with two future pro-bowl RBs as backups, a top 5 all-time FB, a top 5 all-time TE, a dominant pro bowl WR, and a defense loaded with pro-bowlers and all-pros. The problem with the chargers was Rivers and to a part, his destiny. He just didn't have the clutch trait. You could count on him to fall apart when all the chips were down, and on the occasion that he didn't fortune would ensure that he would still fail via a missed chip-shot, botched snap, or a broken play on defense at the last second. The dude was the ultimate Cooler. I've never seen so many twists of fate happen to a player in the last moments of a football game. Tony Romo had that same problem coupled with injuries. They both had the talent to be Super Bowl Champions, but you just knew it was never going to happen for them. I'm not suggesting anything except they won them and the player they won them with belonged to a team that supposedly "won" the trade for him. rivers was definitely the more prolific and consistent player over the years, but I'd pick a QB out of a hat to play in a big game for me before I'd take Rivers.

The chargers may have gotten some all-pro players, but the Giants got 2 Super Bowls. It's not really debatable that the Giants won based on the only metric that matters.

What part was confusing?

He's a worse pass rusher than he is a run stopper. His 'out of this world' athleticism bails him out from terrible instincts in pass coverage and run support, but you need to be technically sound and have good instincts to be a capable pass rusher. I'm looking forward to him signing a 100/5 contract with the Raiders in the offseason.

So was Diggs against allegedly the best cornerback int he game. Benford played just as well as Ramsey. In the modern NFL, you aren't locking down a guy like Kupp. He's going to get his. You just need to stop him when it matters most and they did. The pass rush sure helped a ton too.

I think Elam is going to be an absolute monster. Great size and a physical player. Maybe he'll be the one we use to lock down elite TEs in the future. Once Tre comes back, we're going to have a very capable corner as our 5th CB.

Going to do some wings on the grill tonight using this method from Chudd's BBQ. The dude is a monster of the pit and has never steered me wrong, but curious on thoughts between regular Franks Red Hot, their Franks Buffalo Wing Sauce, or any other recipe you've got. For reference my holy grail of wings is Nine Eleven Tavern followed by Bar-Bill but I'm also up for charbeque, lemon pepper, asian sauces or whatever on occasion. What's your take?

Just bought 5 lbs of wings, so I guess I'm going to audible to doing those on the grill and probably pick up a pizza at halftime.

Smoked pork butt is a strong possibility.

Cooper Kupp just had the best receiving season in league history. You can like your own players without them having to be the best all the time.

Elam. I won't be shocked to see him get a pick.

They're the top safety duo in the league and of the two Poyer is better. This argument not to pay Poyer is pretty stupid. Before Miller got here, he was arguably the second best player on our defense. 31 years old isn't old for a safety. he could very easily play out another 4 year contract with no dropoff in production.